NJS

while respecting the views of others, before they get their knickers in a twist [fao Renton, Gloomy, NJS etc or anybody else who is allowing personalities to get between themselves and obvious logic] that is as straightforward, and spot on as you will find. Why fuck about ? Tell it like it is. Keegan, particularly, is a genuine NUFC hero and will stand the test of time, long after Mike Ashley will go down in history as nothing but a bad smell and those who are even attempting to make excuses for him dragging the club downwards like he is doing will also be shown up to be the tossers that they are, although they will probably disappear and come back under different usernames. It's about prespective - given our history since the 50s then both were huge sucesses and will be seen as such by all Newcastle fans but the lad was making the point that from an outside perspective they weren't successful. It may grate when Man Utd or Liverpool fans take the piss out of Keegan/Shearer/NUFC for the lack of trophies but from their pov they are within their rights to do so - as I said the view that we went shit or bust, threatened them for a while then fucked off is perfectly valid for them. Of course if its Mackems or any other fuckers like Villa trying to tke the piss then they should be shot.

^ It would be funny to ask them why they think spelling is the exception to the way they normally spell ll/ing words

Driven through it - looked like just a typical English market town - nowt special. Did however have a night in Newmarket after Ipswich years ago which was indeed excellent.

That was more a high offside line that failed rather than being too attacking I thought.

He's right, baring in mind I only really saw the second half, but what I did see was the most biased referee I've seen since Brian Coddington at the Baseball Ground in 1992. Ronaldo is a diving cunt, but he must've been fouled 10 times without a free kick been given, and any time a Barca player fell he blew up. Mourinho is right, all the referees are up their arse, and I for one can't stand the club, self righteous, look at us, UNICEF, aren't we're morally correct gods. Well no you're a bunch of mugs, Messi is the only player in that club who isn't a dick, Alves and Mascherano, being two of the biggest arseholes in world football. Hope Man Utd embarrass them, and I think they have a fighting chance because without doubt they have the best defence in world football in my view. That disallowed goal was a disgrace imo - if the ref really thinks for one second Ronaldo "brought down" that cheating piece of ex-scouse shit he should be banned from football forever. Agree on the UNICEF thing as well. I went to Barcelona for both games and though I love the city in general their fans are the worst of a so called world class team I've come across.

Yes but whats the answer? If he won't put his money in and won't borrow (even if it were possible) then calling him out for an obvious failing is pointless - that's why the realsitic among us are trying to suggest that SOME of the other facets of his owenership in the present economic and football climate aren't that stupid. Discovering cheap talent and then selling it later might be painful but if its the only way to keep the club going until a decent owner does come along then that's just the way it is.

You see if you actually recognised that that team was going nowhere and had actually only just escaped the threat of relegation with a decent amount of team spirit under a bloke the players liked then people could accept it. To try and gloss over that season as some kind of staging post for improvement is delusion at its best - as we saw the next year all too well. The season before Ashley bought it we finished 13th - or do we ignore that? before Mike Ashley bought the club we were considered to be one of the top clubs in the country, and to qualify for europe, among players, sportswriters, the general public, and our own supporters, was expected. Borne out by the booing when we only finished 5th. Stick to the facts. Now we think survival is "fine" and 10th is success, this is the words of the clubs 2nd in command. If we finish 13th now or next season, they will be ecstatic. End of. Look for another stick lad. As I said completely ignoring the final year and the state of the squad at the time. Your mistake is in perception - you think we are/were seen as having arrived by the football world and everyone expected us to remain there forever. The truth is most football fans and certainly the media saw us a as a team who'd gone shit or bust, failed and had now dropped back down to where they think we should be. Do you think fans of the "big four" honestly thought that with Roeder or Allardyce at the helm we were going to finsh anywhere? - especially as by then Chelsea had "arrived". Were Wenger or Feguson scared of Roeder? Do you think we would have finished in the top 6 with Allardyce given that during the takeover summer we actually spent what would be classed by then as atypical "Shepherd" type spend? When did your powers of foresight kick in about Ashley BTW? - was it only when he fucked up the Keegan thing beacuse before then his deicisons were indisinguishable from Shepherd's.

You see if you actually recognised that that team was going nowhere and had actually only just escaped the threat of relegation with a decent amount of team spirit under a bloke the players liked then people could accept it. To try and gloss over that season as some kind of staging post for improvement is delusion at its best - as we saw the next year all too well. The season before Ashley bought it we finished 13th - or do we ignore that?

Basing their incoming transfers on money generated by sales. Might change in the summer but that's what January was. What they said in the beginning, and continue to say, is that, yes, money generated by sales will all be re-invested but so will all profits. There is no aquisition debt on the club so the 27 million interest payment paid by the previous owners will now become profit, which they say will also be re-invested. That being so, and with all merchandise and matchday boycotts now off, I'd imagine our profits will rise year on year. Of course this is the kind of thing our other Yank friends said so it remains to be seen whether this actually happens. It's still early days but up to now they've been as good as their word. Far too early to judge them and still wary. thats far too basic for some to understand, some people seem to think we will sell millions of shirts with Ameobi on the back. Are you now trying to compare our commercial position with that of Liverpool - FFS how many times do yoiu have to be told that as global phenomenon there is no comparison.

I only read Cheney claiming that - if true then no, I still think it was morally bankrupt.

Just saying at work its the fact they built this fuck off "fort" in the middle of the town and nobody said owt that's funny. It is a dilemma - Pakistan looks like a lost cause but cutting them off might just make it worse.

I think you can want to meet someone who you admire to have a good conversation with them rather than just because they are a celeb/hero/famous and just to shake their hand or whatever. Biil Hicks, Christopher Hitchens and Germain Greer come to mind for me on that basis.

Basing their incoming transfers on money generated by sales. Might change in the summer but that's what January was.

But the actions of fans do matter to you or reflect on the club? How does slagging Andy Carroll endorse Liverpool over Newcastle? How does it illustrate that the fans think Liverpool's "methods" (which are actually at the moment Ashley's) are setting better standards apart from in your warped brain? As I said away games are about supporting the team and banter with the other fans - assigneing a political agenda to chants in ridiculous. I'd also point out that if away games are about winning than the record at Anfield was just as shit under any owner we've ever had.

I never denied they backed the manger (though never with their money) - I just pointed out that your reasoning for defending his comments about Carroll was based on something which isn't correct. I honestly don't see for one second how having a go at Carroll in anyway, shape or form means that the fams back Ashley either over his sale (which I guess most do but that's incidental) or somehow endorsing his business model. Fans go to away games for the same reason I did - to meet up with mates, have a few pints, watch a game while supporting the team and genreally having a good time. This may include dodgy or unwarranted abuse or chants which imo "mean nothing" in reality. This is why protests over Ashley could never work - they just undermine the base reasons for being there. I also don't get your point about being superior to Liverpool - we've had that off the field view for as long as I can remeneber - see Shankly's comments about NUFC and SAFC - so fans enjoying themselves by saying they outsung Liverpool is again absilutely nothing to do with owners or business models - its about raw football support. I think everone knew that a lot of the expansion after promotion was on the backs of fans and some of that was okay in my view - if an adult wants to spend £40 on something I would never dream of wearing its up to them and I don't think it was a great revelation that they were made in sweatshops. What people didn't like was the tone the fuckers used which showed their contempt for those fans as if to say "the thick fuckers don't know any better". Combine that with insulting people wives, girlfriends mothers and daughters while paying for whores is something I find objectionable but it was only one of a few things. When Fletcher was in charge the fans were treated as walking wallets - our ST prices were extortionate in the context of regions and the way they treat those moved by the expansion showed their true views. Add in the way they distributed tickets and the meny they extorted from the club yearly and again the only word that comes to mind is contempt. I also think its funny that as far as you're concerned "successful" owneres should be able to get way with anything and can nevcre embarrass you but a few fans sing a song draws your criticism in terms of reputation/perception - the double standards are huge.

The thing is if you state things like "Shepherd would not have sold Carroll without consulting his manager" then I'm sorry but I feel I should point out that that is shit - he conducted sales and purchases without asking more than one of his managers as I pointed out. I don't mind your opinions per se - its some of the baseless "facts" you use which I feel should be addressed. I'd don't dislike Shepherd or the Halls for their personalities, I dislike them for some of their actions. Now those actions you consider incidental or small beer but I think they are important - you mention the politics of the club and that's what I'm on about - some of their actions abused and exploited the fans and I can't forget or forgive that no matter how good we were on the pitch. I also find it funny you feel the fans are embarassing themselves at the moment when most non-Newcastle fans would have Shepherd high on their list of factors as to why they find NUFC "laughable". Those actions you feel were incidental did a lot more damage to the club's reputation than a few dafties booing Carroll.

Gary Speed, Albert Luque. Do you think for one second Shepherd consulted Robson over the sale of Woodgate?

what a plank you are, you dumb fuckwit. My only "agenda" is to see the club competing where it ought to be, that is why I have paid my 3 year season ticket, regardless of how I feel about what Mike Ashley is doing to it, why don't you ? If you want to back Mike Ashley, which is what it appears you are doing, back him with your wallet or stop criticising those who are continuing to support the club whatever their motive. Another hypocrite. Part of my decision in giving up my ST was not giving any money to Ashley - so who's the hypocrite? I'm continuing to support the club, because whatever my feelings about the direction they are going, I'm hoping we are successful, fucknuts. Yet you went to games when the Halls and Shepherd were owners and they attracted you to games, because now you have stopped going yet criticise them ? What a plank, as you said, who's the hypocrite ? Attraction? I started going to games when Seymour was in charge and it never had anything to do with ambition, backing, revenues or any other bullshit - you still don't get that I hate Ashley more than all of them but also recognise that Hall and Shepherd were cunts - it's not love one and hate the other - can you not get that through your head? You sneered at Birmingham for winning the LC for not doing it "properly" - I can only assume you'd have to think the same if we did it with Ashley in charge.

what a plank you are, you dumb fuckwit. My only "agenda" is to see the club competing where it ought to be, that is why I have paid my 3 year season ticket, regardless of how I feel about what Mike Ashley is doing to it, why don't you ? If you want to back Mike Ashley, which is what it appears you are doing, back him with your wallet or stop criticising those who are continuing to support the club whatever their motive. Another hypocrite. Part of my decision in giving up my ST was not giving any money to Ashley - so who's the hypocrite?

As I've said before I can't see how LM can want the club to succeed at present - if we won a cup or god forbid did qualify for Europe he'd surely have a breakdown amidst posts about "need to do it over 7 years or it doesn't count". I've said I stopped going to matches as I don't enjoy it any more - it seems strange that he criticises Renton and others for actually having a good time if it doesn't fit his agenda.

They might have taken some when he had his CIA medical all those years ago.

If they knew where he was they'd have captured him and this 24hr burial is all very convenient too - due to the importance of the body there's no way they'd let a small detail like religion get in the way. I did notice there were only two other deaths (one being his son) - I'd expect more guards at least and US casualties in a "fire fight".

Now that would get some good bites. It's a good point that all these people who don't live by their religions always seem to be treated with such respect on death.

We needed two strikers in January even before Carroll left. Now I'd dump all four and start again. what I don't get, is when I say something like that, and correctly point out how it is not going to happen like it did before, I attract such comments from you and others in response ? This is exactly why the club is in decline. It isn't anything to do with a blip on the pitch, or making a poor managerial appointment which can be changed, its to do with the aims, expectations and mentality within the football club. All these things impact on public appeal, commercial appeal and from there revenues, exposure, standing within the game among other players and clubs, everything. It is without dispute, and has been blatantly obvious for a long time now. Because I take a view between what should happen and what I'd like to see happen and what does happen and will happen. As I've said I'd love Ashley to wake up to the fact that the best way to get his money back is to speculate but I realise it won't happen. To me him coming out and saying he wants to qualify for Europe when he won't take the decisions to make that happen is more stupid than actually being quite truthful with the top 10 thing. It may hurt and believe it or not it hurts me as well but it doesn't stop me seeing it's sort of sensible GIVEN THAT HE WON'T INVEST FURTHER IN PLAYERS. (the caps are to try and stop you from saying I welcome it).

We needed two strikers in January even before Carroll left. Now I'd dump all four and start again.