NJS

Completely admitting to no expertise or knwledge, I always had the feeling it was more abduction/adoption rather than abduction/paedophilia. Sadly most paedophilia is family business.

Would like to read cost/benefit breakdowns of all the small beer drug cases the police do.

That might be a case I remember where they found the kid a few years later - the abductors had just raised him as their own in a kind if direct action adoption.

I think when you've got someone like McGuinness now a "man of peace" its time to recognise the final whistle has gone. Still not sure about the wisdom of the Queen's visit though.

Every season he's given a squad number is another fucking write-off.

The things you say. You're unbelievable. Purple prose Alex Fucking hell - I've only just got it - I blame monday mornings.

I think the line that almost goes as far as "they deserved it" is a line too far - my view has always been that the negligence reduces the sympathy I would feel but not to anywhere near zero. I think the danger for them now is that people are starting to lose more sympathy for them not having the good grace to quietly go away - I can understand that but at the same time as Chez says its hard to think you wouldn't do the same yourself (the effort to find her not the original negligence).

Just read the alleged story - gross stupidity aside, you have to wonder how many times he's tried and/or succeeded doing the same thing in the past.

Immigrants could be nutters though - that's the risk you take. Of course they'd have to be quality nutters to threaten the jobs of world class serial killers we produce like Shipman.

whey aye, lets kick Scotland out of the UK and accept a few million more muslims, terrorists and assorted spongers to replace them. Since you obviously think all Muslims are Terrorists and Spongers why waste three words and just say Muslims. I also love the extension that all immigrants are terrorists and/or criminals as suggested previously has now been extended to mentally ill. I know you say you don't read the Mail but you obviously should get a job there - any story - including tragedies abroad carried out by insane people, can be twisted to get an anti-muslim/immigrant slant. Seriously - you could get a top job there.

wasn't a dive tbf (which makes a change) but it is one of those stupid penalty's where he doesn't have control of it or was anywhere when he took that touch, pokes the ball and lets Robinson clatter him happens all the time but robinson had no need to come sliding in like that He was pulling the face and moving his legs before Robinson hit him imo - I agree the keeper was daft but still not right.

Canny dive by Hernandez like.

This is so obvious, it's the reason why I just don't get Ashley at all. I'd love to just hear once and for all a few honest answers to these questions though you'd probably need to waterboard him to get there. All the insults aside, his actions just don't make sense from a business pov. I think the only real hope is that he doesn't want to spend any more money as he's biding his time for a sale.

Why can't you see the difference between where people want us be based on our stature and in an ideal world versus where they think finishing in the real world given the fact that we have an arsehole owner and limited resources compared with the teams above is reasonable? arsehole owner = correct limited resources [because of the arsehole owner] = correct compared to the teams above us = rubbish Which is the entire point. Which brings us back to square one. Given that he won't invest his money, where will it come from? Please don't say something about maximum revenues - as I've said before even if we suddenly made £50m profit a year which we never came within a million miles of doing in the past it would still take investment at that level for about 5 years before we'd be where we all want to be. That's why the realists among us think talking as if we are going there is pointless.

Why can't you see the difference between where people want us be based on our stature and in an ideal world versus where they think finishing in the real world given the fact that we have an arsehole owner and limited resources compared with the teams above is reasonable? I can't believe you also still can't get the simple idea that what we saw as success and were ecstatic about perfectly correctly, by other peoples standards we failed. I would love us to win the next 20 league titles and get to the point where if we did finish 4th or god forbid 13th a couple of times we'd consider it abject failure in the same way Man Utd would now. That's the point I'm trying to make -- their honest opinion of us as failures from their perspective is fair.

No different from their viewpoint - that's the point. As for your quote, finishing in the top 10 given that no money will be spent is realistic from their point of view. You've written off 4 teams, I'd extend that to 6 so a margin of 7th to 10th isn't that huge. Of course we all want to aim higher and achieve it but as in everything in life there is a cost for that - Ashley won't pay the cost so I don't see the point in the bravado of saying we want higher. so selling your best player is no different to keeping him ? 3rd bottom is no different to 3rd top ? They are both "failures" ? Aiming for 10th minimum is no different than aiming for top 4/5 minimum ? I'm trying to be patient here mate, but you're way off any logical common sense here. Anyway, I've got to go. FROM MAN UNITED'S POINT OF VIEW. It doesn't matter to them where we finish as long as it's not top - their standards not ours - tha's what matters to them. Chelsea are probably going to sack their manager for failing to win the league - with high expectations comes high price of failure. Of course we would all love to finish 2nd but because they now expect to win it, 2nd is failure. so you confirm that finishing 3rd bottom is no worse than 3rd top, and if you are going to only finish 3rd top there is no point in bothering ? Yet you and other idiots on skunkers etc will be doing cartwheels if we finish 10th this season ? Breathtakingly Fantastic. I said I wanted to finish as high as possible about 10 fucking times - when will you actually read what I'm writing just for fucking once. You call me negative for settling on aiming to be top of the also-rans but when I point out that wanting to join the winners means looking on second as failure you deliberately ignore the point. Ancelotti will be sacked for finishing second - by those standards Keegan wouldn't have even been given 96-97. So do you want to have those standards or are you happy wanking over finishing 4th?

It is a broad church but I'd say despite their punk influences, Guns and Roses were always a metal band imo.

Personally I think that summed up the differnce between Keegan and Robson - Keegan had the Scouse winning mentality - I don't honestly think Bobby did. One of your worst posts. Keegan as I've said many times is number one in Newcastle always will be. To say Robson didn't have a winning mentality is ridiculous. Robson was more tactically astute than Keegan, and we were a lot tighter as a unit even with donkeys like O'Brien in defence. Tell me though who won more as a manager? Who was the width of a goalpost from winning the World Cup? If we'd have won the WC you wouldn't have even question SBR's winning mentality. He won 5 league titles in his career, came close with Ipswich ffs, numerous cups and European honours. Terrible conclusion you've reach there imo. Fair enough Stevie - we disagree. I think Bobby while he was with us was to an extent just happy to be there and considered the succes he did achive as almost job done. I don't think I ever heard him match Keegan's "I want to win this title". In January 2002 I thought we had a chance of winning the title but nothing was said on the matter from either Bobby or Shepherd. I think he should have been going to Shepherd saying "these two players will win it" - in the end we didn't sign anyone. Now of course it could be the case that this was one of the periods when no money was available and they both knew that so said nowt - I think it was a mistake.

Personally I think that summed up the differnce between Keegan and Robson - Keegan had the Scouse winning mentality - I don't honestly think Bobby did. That's probably right, which was why failure weighed so heavily on Keegan (and on a personal note why I wasn't convinced he would ever be the right man for NUFC under Ashley regardless of the shit that went on). Robson was a nearly man when it came to the major leagues. Which was ultimately the reason I thought we had to try someone else to achieve the ultimate goal, despite his relative sucesses and him being a genuine lovely bloke. Stupidly enough, the main reason I thought Souness might work was that I thought he was another "winner". I think Bobby tried to sell that the idea that he could be ruthless despite being so nice - I never really bought it.

Personally I think that summed up the differnce between Keegan and Robson - Keegan had the Scouse winning mentality - I don't honestly think Bobby did.

No different from their viewpoint - that's the point. As for your quote, finishing in the top 10 given that no money will be spent is realistic from their point of view. You've written off 4 teams, I'd extend that to 6 so a margin of 7th to 10th isn't that huge. Of course we all want to aim higher and achieve it but as in everything in life there is a cost for that - Ashley won't pay the cost so I don't see the point in the bravado of saying we want higher. so selling your best player is no different to keeping him ? 3rd bottom is no different to 3rd top ? They are both "failures" ? Aiming for 10th minimum is no different than aiming for top 4/5 minimum ? I'm trying to be patient here mate, but you're way off any logical common sense here. Anyway, I've got to go. FROM MAN UNITED'S POINT OF VIEW. It doesn't matter to them where we finish as long as it's not top - their standards not ours - tha's what matters to them. Chelsea are probably going to sack their manager for failing to win the league - with high expectations comes high price of failure. Of course we would all love to finish 2nd but because they now expect to win it, 2nd is failure.

Of course - but in the absence of any money, realism bites. That's the future - what we're discussing here is a "judgement" on the past - as I said I think "failure" is correct from the "standards" we all actually aspire to. standards. Have fallen, under the new regime. That's the WHOLE point. Don't you see it ? Of course - but by Man Utd's standards we never reached the top so what does it matter? (from their pov)

No different from their viewpoint - that's the point. As for your quote, finishing in the top 10 given that no money will be spent is realistic from their point of view. You've written off 4 teams, I'd extend that to 6 so a margin of 7th to 10th isn't that huge. Of course we all want to aim higher and achieve it but as in everything in life there is a cost for that - Ashley won't pay the cost so I don't see the point in the bravado of saying we want higher.

Of course - but in the absence of any money, realism bites. That's the future - what we're discussing here is a "judgement" on the past - as I said I think "failure" is correct from the standards we all actually aspire to.

They may respect us as fans and think the club is big but the bottom line is still silverware. As I said by ours and all other clubs standards we were great, by the clubs who we both want to be counted as part of we weren't. see my next post. I think you are clutching at straws to attempt to say that finishing 3rd top is just as much a failure as 3rd bottom. Ridiculous. The irony being, if we finish 10th under this current owner, people like you will be doing cartwheels and saying "I told you so" etc. Told us what ? "Second is nowhere" - Bill Shankly - harsh and I don't particularly agree but that's the attitude that people like him and Ferguson had/have.