NJS

Cruel sense of humour there from May.

The generalisations about old, racist, non-expert trusting northerners voting leave were certainly spot on here.

Judging by this weeks news, a seat on the board of HSBC beckons.

Of course I believe in compromise. I keep remembering a Q&A with Blair at the 2005 election where a woman dexcribed herself as a left winger/socialist and asked if he had any policy or reason to persuade her to vote for him - his answer was "sorry, but no". My worry is there are too many who wouldn't adopt anything worthwhile - as I keep arguing and especially as May is going to pursue the one nation myth, if you can't differentiate between Tory and Labour then what's the point?

I don't know but a) I wouldn't trust her/them and what's the point of a leader or indeed PLP that don't believe in anything vaguely left wing and have to have if "forced" upon them.

I recognise the style/electibility problems but I think the main problem they have is policy and that's why a split is in some ways more honest. If Corbyn had turned out to be a good "salesman", people like Eagle and Benn would have still been very unhappy as a lot of the post Blair intake as we've suggested are centrist at best. Idealistically I'd hoped that Corbyn would have had an effect (still to be realised) similar to Bernie Sanders for the democrats where a left wing/socialist has engaged young/disaffected voters and though ultimately failing, he has "forced" Clinton to at least try and adopt some of his policies - as I said not fully realised. My hope would be that pushing his agenda would at least have the affect of some accomodation of some kind within an electable framework - for example dropping acceptance of austerity. I think the reason why he's proved so damn stubborn in not falling on his sword now is that he's realised that the backstabbers are intransigent "New Labour" and any chance of adopting policies which are actually popular like rail nationalisation would be lost under someone like Eagle or any other of that ilk.

A kick in the teeth that might be tested in the courts as breach of contract. I'm all for PR but I don't like the idea of all those MPs suddenly saying "I'm not Labour any more, I'm Super Duper Middle Ground Party" without having the guts to have a bye election.. I'm sure they think if there is a split its them that will keep the name and Corbyn et al will be forced to call themselves something else but since I reckon the latter would still win seats, if they think they'd get power under FPTP they're dreaming.

Have you heard of that we'll known centrist Thatcher CT?

So they only allowed the lawyer who said it wasn't automatic to speak to the meeting and still lost. Accusing Corbyn of incompetence seems a stretch.

As well as the "Illegals please fuck off" buses.

I read that Eagle was imposed on the Wallasey CLP by Hattersley so ignoring members has been going on for decades. Focusing on the local mp/candidate is fair enough but why can't you have a separate Avenue of interest as well? I would be completely wasting my time if I joined the Labour Party where I live as they will never win the seat but maybe paying £3 or whatever and taking part in national level elections would allow me to feel involved and get at least some sense of doing my bit. As I said rejecting that out of hand is a waste imo.

I'm sick of the contempt being shown by the backstabbers for the £3 members. I accept there are saboteurs in there but it still leaves labour at the biggest "left wing" party by membership in the world. Dismissing that power base and opportunity just because you don't like who they voted for shows the fuckers up for what they are - arrogant control freaks - very much like their inspiration.

Pixies tonight - fucking brilliant. Kim's lost a canny bit of weight like

Don't forget her speech was intended to win the leadership by distancing herself from Leadsom - now there's no contest she can be "honest".

That's what my point is when arguing with Renton - a choice between two virtually identical platforms which relies on tradition and heritage of a name alone is pointless.

Looks like that Owen Smith is running which makes me think they're confident of excluding Corbyn from the ballot.

That's because an unelected German is unavailable.

It's the "focusing on the working class" that's the joke. She's tried and failed already to reduce immigration especially non-eu. They won't build Council houses. They won't force SD or anyone else to make jobs permanent or better paid. They won't increase funding for education or the NHS. What will they do CT?

Good timing then - fucker will be gone by the next one if your girls get their way.

All Chinese apparently.

Don't see how you think leadsom is likely to win - bookies back May strongly. She also seems error prone. Seems like the Labour rebels are relying on the argument over Corbyn being on the ballot as otherwise I can't see Eagle winning. If they succeed in that strategy I think it's naive to think the membership will just accept it - I think they've ignored why people joined - not for Corbyn himself but the ideas and concepts.

A paper round where her job was to label the papers with the addresses, not deliver them. I would have guessed late 50s myself BTW.

She's very pro-family though - nearly every job she's had has been linked to her brother in law.

Leavers wanted to go back to the 1950s so halfway there is a good start. I don't think she'll win but I'm starting to think electing an odious nutter might be a "good" thing in terms of putting people off the tories.

Probably said this before but when it comes to Islam, politics, faith and culture all meld into one identity and motivational base. I think there have been other examples of this - probably including the kamikaze pilots as mentioned - but it's Islam that matters on the global scale now.