NJS

You couldn't take capital out of the UK before the bitch eased controls the day after she was elected. History eh?

If you see what he voted against - like Iraq, ID cards, NHS outsourcing etc then it shows him as decent in the face of NL bollocks.

Chez has pointed him in the direction of economic articles repeatedly but he won't read them or try and understand them.

The Mail don't just want to sell papers - they want to protect their owners and the rest of the establishment and they do that by frightening the ignorant. I'd love it if he stood up to them and their readership but according to you he needs them to vote for him which is why Brown pandered to the cunts so much to ultimately no avail.

I couldn't vote for Johnson - he worships The Beatles.

This goes back to what Gemmill said - if people are going to vote against their interests based on whether someone eats fucking biscuits then they deserve what they get.

I liked Kinnock but recently he's been a bit too enamoured with Blair. It would have been interesting if he'd won in 92.

No, I think Kinnock and Smith were decent men who moved in a reasonable direction while maintaining their principles but it all went wrong with Blair. Stupid thing is that by 97 people were so tired of the tories that they could have done some proper good but they just stayed safe.

So when the USSR was communist, western lefties were useless for ignoring their crimes and now its a capitalist and virtually fascist regime its still up to lefties to hold them to account? Yeah right.

Would be funny as fuck if West Ham go down this season.

Aye I noticed that - having a dodgy keeper is one thing but giving the ball away stupidly and it leading to corners putting pressure on said keeper is just as shit.

Have to say I'm not impressed by Diame so far - one ball against Bristol City aside, I think he's been invisible when not missing chances.

Shit finishing, shit keeper.

It wasn't just pfi - they outsourced and encouraged an internal market in the name of "choice" and allowed hospitals to engage with private Healthcare firms. All of these were "signallers" to what's going on now and intended for the future I wouldn't regard it as "safe" under a Smith government.

New Labour did nothing to prevent privatisation and in fact encouraged it - and thats exactly the direction you want them to go in to win power.

59% of full members voted for Corbyn according to Robert Peston.

I'm a complete fanny when it comes to music - if it doesn't move you - from joyful ecstacy all the way to tears and all points in between then what's its point? Anyway a few: Running to stand still - U2 St Swithins day - Billy Bragg Thief - Belly Full of Grace - Sarah McLachlan 1000 blue Caribou - Drugstore

KSA"s audio recordings were gold of the gold .

Apart from the minimum wage there isn't one NL policy that John Major wouldn't have happily endorsed.

Allowed the demonisation of benefit claimants. Didn't reverse union reforms which may have prevented the explosion of zero hour contracts. Used PFI to fund the NHS crippling trusts and opening the door to privatisation. No social housing policy which expanded the prison of renting and the debt mountain. Revelled in immigration increase with no thought for how it would affect their core voters. Bottled social reforms and decreased privacy rights. Embraced the city and didn't even attempt to rebalanced the economy. Worshipped "wealth creators" like Branson and Green.

There's a lot of appetite for nationalisation and support of the NHS and I think anyone who doesn't support more social housing is beyond even centrist thinking. There are "unpalatable" policies but I think a reasoned debate about trident is long overdue and blind patriotism which feeds most views should be challenged. It won't change the older generation pov but I think younger people would be more amenable. Changing your principles and policies to suit focus groups is exactly what led to NL doing nowt for the working class.

I don't see what his personal life has to do with his appeal - most PMs have something "dodgy" about them which have been a lot worse than nerdy hobbies. His policies on housing, education, state investment and worker stakeholding are all excellent and way beyond the "semi decent" goals of other left leaning parties past and present.

Every time Billy Bragg writes for the Guardian, the first comment will tell him to fuck off back to his Dorset mansion because obviously only if he lived in a council flat in Barking would his views be worth reading.

I do actually agree with that but there is nobody at present who could.

From a party that broke every promise and sold their arses for power.