NJS

Forest down as it stands - yes please.

Shame Hull lost - would love to have seen Hippo Head's arse twitching.

Sholas there only chance now.

There's a lot of anti-immigration sentiment in labour areas - as I said earlier and as HMHM said, encouraged massively by the press.

Anyone watching Pointless Celebrities? How much plastic surgery has she had and/or slap has Patti Boulaye got on?

You need more than 8 million votes to win a GE - a couple of hundred thousand huff takers won't make a difference. In any case what you're forgetting is that the leadership election rules are controlled by the NEC who were almost persuaded last time to make sure the candidates depend on the PLP - I can't see another Corbyn getting 15% of MPs - especially as there'll only be about 170 of them.

He admitted it himself when asked why anyone left wing should vote for him and said he had nothing to offer. Short term investment in public services is all well and good but it's easily reversed. There should have been massive investment in housing which is hard to ruin but he wouldn't dare burst the bubble.

Problem is Blair won by never offering anything vaguely left wing and whether you like it or not the anti-establishment resentment feeling that was tapped into by Brexit was not started by Cameron - it was started by Thatcher and continued by NL. And anyone who votes Tory is a cunt. That has been the case since they were formed and will always be the case. I accepted in the 80s/90s/ that britain is a nation of self-serving cunts so I honestly dont know why anyone even tries and makes a difference.

I've said before I think he's a decent man who shouldn't be leader but the idea that another leader (however much better) would reverse the fortunes instantly is over optimistic. The referendum really has fucked things and while the likely demise of ukip is welcome its pointless in the scheme of things as they'll all vote tory. There's a division between metropolitan professional lefties and traditional areas which though it has always existed, is now at its widest I can remember. As I was saying the other day, the reduction in unions and large workplaces has made labour voters vulnerable to more targetted propaganda regarding the poor and immigration which is unlikely to be reversed soon. Blair succeeded because of his broad appeal including a lot of centrist voters. Any new leader will have to do the same but confront the legacy of perceived issues of immigration and economic incompetence - not an easy task against the tide. I see the only hope for the labour party as riding the wave of antipathy towards the cluster fuck of May's coming deal. Unfortunately I think no matter how bad it is, it'll be sold successfully as a success no matter how bad it is.

Yes, but part of that problem is because he and they are seen as so pro-immigration which is unpopular in traditional areas. If you think a new leader will instantly fix that you're dreaming. There was a video the other day of Farron talking to a bloke who was a lifelong labour voter who was voting tory simply to support a hard Brexit. No mention of leaders at all.

It's sad to say, but I think a lot of anti-immigration traditional labour voters will vote for May stupidly thinking any "deal" she gets will include a reduction in migrants.

Read Market Forces by Richard Morgan or similar stories - only those with wealth and/or a good job will be allowed to be citizens and will live in gated communities with secure transport to and from work. Everyone else will live a feral existence in the remaining wastelands.

Put together a compilation of all the refereeing fuckovers we've had this year and send it to them with a big fuck off.

Foreigners trying to influence elections - unthinkable - apart from Murdoch of course.

I read a story that he'd commissioned an extensive private poll to measure his chances (before the election call). If true it would indicate a hint of realism - of course whether he'd still be too stubborn to take notice is another matter. On the election call itself I think there's a lot in what Sturgeon said about the election expenses thing as well as political opportunism. I've come to the point where Corbyn aside, I think the mood of the country is so fucked up and the negotiations are going to be so toxic, I don't mind the cunts presiding over the whole shit show.

She has two compelling attributes though - they'd get major abuse from the Id police if they sacked her.

Bit of a difference between us and brum - I think we're more bitter about the relegation thing (quite rightly) and exaggerate their hatred of us.

Just have to hope he provokes a reaction - as well as a good test of his supposed childhood loyalty.

Not just a waste - it fucking stinks. Johnson's deputy awarded the contract to Arup and now works for them. Everybody involved were friends and the fop-haired cunt refused to answer mps questions.

I used to know someone from Oldham who was the same - supported Athletic and the Manc cunts. Also knew someone from Altrincham who supported them and city.

Spurs had some shit to do with tax a few years ago. They had 12 points deducted but that was set aside on appeal. I can't remember the details of the wrongdoing.

This drives me insane - the way older women stand around it cooing like Macbeth witches.

I'm 5 episodes into Legion - it's like a David Lynch film on even more acid. I have no idea what's reality and what isn't. Good job there's only 3 left. Still enjoyable though.

I might be different as I was brought up properly (imo) but as a relatively old cunt I find it surprising how people only ten or fifteen years older than me can seem so alien and almost like my parents generation. These would be people who were kids in the 60s and young adults in the 70s - how they ended up as such narrow minded people is beyond me.

Ponteland marra.