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Kinnock failed miserably against major in 92. He did resign but I'd say this campaign has been better than that one.

When the plp come out of hiding, I think they should acknowledge the general popularity of the manifesto as well as the engagement with members. I fear they'll go tory lite again though.

I still think of Gordon Brown as overall a decent bloke but he's stained by having those same cozy chats with Dacre. I suppose you could say it's pragmatic but it still stinks.

I consider Wykiki to be the benchmark for Yorkshireness.

I meant meaningless in the context of everyday life - people know how well off they are but can't see any connection with that and the deficit or indeed any other metrics. That's why I find bragging about growth of GDP to be so irrelevant - we might as well use a system of five smilies to measure economic performance.

Thing is the deficit is meaningless to nearly everybody except for its use to beat labour - morons who think a country's economy is like a household one. The yanks are sitting on trillions of debt but Obama still tried to stimulate the economy - as has been said many times, austerity is ideology not economics.

I don't want to start a post mortem now but I wonder if they could have learnt a lesson from Clinton - I think she lost by not concentrating all her efforts in the swing states. I'm not sure how UK campaigns are planned but I'm sure they could stick to the 120 key seats and go all out there.

People always accept the tory "Labour are incompetent" line - "compared to fucking what" should be the stock response.

I come into Liverpool Street station and work very close to St Paul's - I pretty much only see coppers with guns these days and I think in the context of the locations I don't mind at all. I don't think I'd like it in town on a night out or at the match though.

Yeah the vests were a "good" tactic from that pov but I've seen pub fights involving heed the balls and I'm still surprised nobody tried.

I read they went into a pub - I can't see why a few blokes using chairs couldn't seriously hurt them despite the knives.

They won't risk the arms industry by mentioning the backers by name.

It'll end in tears but close polls might at least encourage the young to vote - of course it might also encourage complacent tories as well.

The point is people who think Britain is so great because of the imperialist past and support willy waving are exactly those who voted for Brexit, are anti-immigration and support cuts. That includes the traditional labour voters we both admit exist - ever think the reason the reason why those "values" are brainwashed into people are so they tolerate having the piss taken out of them and vote against their interests? The dichotomy of trident versus decent public services is one of attitude - it's corporation tax cuts versus nurse's wages all over again - lost arguments based on twisted priorities.

What's the point of pissing about on the world stage when disabled people are starving to death? The nationalism so loved by the right of the monarchy, CofE, aristocracy, military and empire is exactly that which scapegoats the poor - it's about time somebody redefined patriotism to be about things that actually matter - it's just a shame that one of those things - the NHS - will extend the lives and influence of people who don't deserve it.

You're a couple of years younger than me and in our lifetimes there's never been any where near any war that warranted conscription and that couldn't have been avoided easily with common sense. It also included humiliations like Suez. One of the failings of our education system is the emphasis on empire and the military - alright in its place but we should have moved on.

That was more aimed at the questioners last night but it is the overwhelming reason people support them and they tend to be the nostalgia junkies. If there's a sensible reason not based on an overinflated view of our place in the world then fair enough - I'm willing to see your skilled jobs view but much like BAE, I think those skills could be used for useful reasons m

When did we need them in the past? Describe a scenario where they make sense. Do you think Russia ever considered the UK when it came to MAD?

Why isn't it an issue for Germany, Japan, Italy, Spain or any other civilised country? The navy has been cut down to the bone over the last 30 years mainly to save money - why is trident different?

The cold war that effectively ended 35 years ago? Explain the scenarios where a deterrent would "work" - then explain in it terms of the 190 countries where the argument is meaningless. Morons stuck in the past who yearn for a Britain "ruling" the world.

Would be funny if he got in ans started selectively tactically nuking towns in Surrey for a laugh with a big "that'll teach them" shit-eating grin for the cameras.

Fucking hell, the new prime minister of Ireland is a gay son of an Indian immigrant - huge thing over there I'd imagine. (Leo Varadkar)

There was a brief discussion at work the other week and a lass said she'd be voting tory as she thinks the world is getting dodgy due to Trump and she trusted May more than Corbyn to defend the UK. I had to button my lip from saying she'd become a pensioner.

It's going to be hard for them as it's obvious he's done well. However if it still ends up with a large tory majority, they'll feel vindicated and will use the argument that a better leader might have won (which is fair enough) to try and oust him again. Problem is a shift to the centre may disillusion people who've come on board during the campaign.

A hung parliament would be intriguing on both sides, not just on Brexit. Would either of them be desperate enough to offer the SNP another independence referendum?