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They're going to send a letter asking for an extension then send another the next day rescinding it aren't they?

True. I find it funny how Clarke is being put forward as this anyone but Corbyn fantasy pm by the lib dems when he voted for May's deal and advocates a soft Brexit.

Can't be arsed to answer the questions but thanks for using the Manchester in your name and the United in ours.

Anyone else think he's relying on that Hungarian cunt vetoing the extension?

All of those polls apart from one have don't knows who cover the difference margin - Banks and the rest would wet their lips at that. As for leading the campaign, someone who could articulate the benefits rather than just negging the other side would be a start.

Same plan with a sharpie dick outcrop a la Trump.

Austerity didn't cause the south East outside London to vote leave. That's just pure little englander nostalgia and racism.

Would love to know what the other side to him being a racist cunt is.

They lost at least one if not more of their lgbqt committee's chairs due to one of them being an out and out homophobe.

Taking in those tory rebels who are in no way proper liberals has pissed off a hell of a lot of her members as well.

She specifically criticised Johnson for increasing spending and used the phrase "tough choices" - she's a huge fan of austerity.

The Wonderstuff were canny but I haven't listened to them recently to change that nostalgic view one way or another.

I think she as much as did that with the look she gave him as he walked past her.

I think the libs tacitly hoped/hope to have no deal versus remain to load the vote - I don't think that's fair really. As I said not much discussion has been had about another leave victory.

My understanding was that the transition allowed a negotiation on all elements of a future relationship - as I said I may be wrong. I think Swinson muddyed the water with the revoke without a vote thing - they still won't answer what they want the other option in a vote to be and what they'd do if leave won - I think having a reasonable alternative to cover the latter outcome is sensible but again you'd have to explain this well.

Unfortunately politics isn't about good policies or making sense by and large - it's about emotive reactions to people and ideas. I think we all agree Corbyn falls short in the "good leader" stakes but it's also a matter of long held attitudes that won't change - things like demanding a leader who worships the queen and is willing to nuke millions still holds sway. That now includes brexit which is reduced to zealots on both sides and neutrals completely bored with it who want it to end anyway possible. I'm beginning to think Johnson fluking a semblance of May's deal through might not be that bad as I think there's enough room in the political statement to soften it to an acceptable level if Labour did win (I might be wrong on this).

That's what I meant - as I've said somebody has to try to talk to both sides but too many bloody minded remainers will now vote lib dem, not get a second ref and will get 5 years of that corrupt fraud as pm.

Sensible but fatal is still my view.

I agree - I've always said the way to solve education and health in the UK is to abolish the private option as the powers that be would take 5 minutes to fix them if they had to use them but that would have to be done gradually. As you say it will frighten people who think of themselves as middle income (they aren't) and bow down to privilege.

I'm all for the bringing the country together view but that needs power and he's killing the chance of that imo. To be honest I can see this causing a leadership challenge which I'm okay with as long as it isn't an out and out centrist who prevails.

Joelinton's transfer stinks more an more each week. Lad tries but if he's worth 40m then the game is a lot more fucked than I thought. Wilhems is fucking shit as well.

Hysteria for Andy Carroll - fucking hell, that's how shit we are.

The alternative being domination by 250 individuals a good portion of whom are appointees from the NL era. Labour was always criticised for being run by union barons casting block votes - Milliband put control in the hand of members just like the other parties - you just don't like those members.

I think that kind of bargain suggested by Thornberry was mooted when those talks took place with May earlier in the year but the tories think another vote is completely out of the question.

I saw a poll yesterday where the (still alive) people who voted in 2016 was 52-48 leave and including new voters it was 52-48 remain. Aside from assuming victory ignoring what's is still half the country seems dubious. It also shows the arguments since have been so shit they haven't any visible effect.