Toonraider

I hope those of you who like to fart out a tune have clicked the 0-16 category?!

No I'm not risking it, I had trouble with the previous one! Now I'm using the FF edition that Craig recommended...(can't remember the number ffs ) And its brilliant, our PC is running much smoother.

Well at least he had some company Oops! I meant wondering Oh god, that's my second error in the last few days, I must take more time when I post!

Welcome back!! Where ya been? You were mentioned the other day too, someone wandering where you had gone.

The legal implication in Italy is that if a person dies at a sporting venue in the country, the remainder of the event is immediately cancelled. There's an obvious grey area in both fatal crashes that weekend in that "did the drivers die at the track or later in hospital"? Officially both died in hospital but in reality both were dead at the circuit - Senna especially and you don't have to delve too much into the personal accounts of those involved on the day to realise that. Sid Watkins said that as he took off Ayrton's helmet, he gave a brief sigh and then was gone - pupils fixed, skull fractured, crushed forehead, and a ruptured temporal artery. He was brain dead at the point of impact but they kept him alive by artificial means - many believing so that the Grand Prix could continue as for it not to would have been a financial disaster. Course there's some argument that because of Ratzenberger's death, the race should never have happened at all and subsequently Senna should never have been racing and therefore would never have had his own fatal accident. There was a case to answer here and the event organisers could have been found guilty of the manslaughter of Senna by virtue of the fact that they let the event carry on when a driver had clearly died at the circuit. The press concentrated on the charges brought against the Williams team but IMO there was a greater case against the circuit, the promoter and the FIA. Talking about the weekend and Senna's changed demeanor, some people have said that it was a sign of foreboding - that he knew what was coming. He made his peace with Prost and Eddie Irvine and carried out private PR tasks that under normal circumstances he wouldn't even entertain during a race weekend. I don't think it was foreboding but more of a deeply religious man who perhaps for the first time in his racing career understood and feared his own mortality - his protege (Barrichello) was seriously injured on the Friday and then he witnessed death first-hand for the first time on the Saturday. Had he lived and his accident never occurred, I'm convinced we'd have seen a totally different Ayrton Senna for the rest of his career. I think the ruthless, raw racer who took often unnecessary risks would have mellowed and become more involved with safety and the future development of the sport. I'm finally off to see the film on Saturday - can't wait. I'm in that camp I think. By the way Craig, sorry... I thought everyone had seen it by now! I'd not have written about bits they included and what wasnt else! This very old interview is good to read. Ayrton-A really good rally driver

Off to see the Senna film Tuesday night, only showing it the one night here so I'm glad I booked our tickets in advance! I'm sure you'll enjoy it TR. Aside from the main story of the film, what stood out for me from the footage was: (i) how simple the steering wheels looked on the mid-eighties F1 cars, and drivers actually having to take their hand off the wheel to use a proper gear-change; and (ii) how far out of the cockpit their heads & shoulders were exposed. They were really vulnerable in comparison to modern F1 drivers. I did enjoy the film DR Though maybe 'enjoy' isn't the right word It bought back loads of memories for me too, It was very moving. I went thinking I'd probably seen most of the footage before but wanted to see it 'put together' to tell his story. But I was surprised by how much of the footage was new to me. I'd never seen the Roland Ratzenberger clip of him talking or Senna's reaction as he watched the aftermath of Roland's crash and the medics working on him Mind there were some iconic moments they didn't include like Senna sat on Mansell's car and his pole lap from Monaco. Maybe they felt we'd all seen that a thousand times I guess. What hit me clearly was that Senna's heart was not in that final race, he didn't want to race. I was thinking had that been today and a driver had been killed in practice or qualifying wouldn't the race be cancelled? My son says not, they have to carry on. Rubens crash was horrible too, I'd almost forgotten that. The drivers were so exposed in those cars, they didn't even have HANS device back then, if they had then Roland Ratzenberger may have survived as he died from a Basilar skull fracture. Anyway, I NEVER want to watch Senna's crash again, that's it for me EDIT: Forgot to add I've never sat in a cinema with such a quiet audience I couldn't even eat my sweets as the packet made too much noise! Very odd.

You sure you don't bat both ways Bev? Is it just me or are they just a contemporary version of OMD but with more cowbell? Anyway to bring this thread back to some reality godflesh met jesus christ superstar! No I don't bat both ways Sammy I love the video because its filmed where I live!! ~Pretty good song, cool video. I live right near Meadfoot beach which is where they are driving their car. And yes I get the OMD thing. Nice summer song though.

I'm playing this excellent song by Metronomy again, called The Bay. Its filmed here in Torquay on a SUNNY Day....not the miserable wet weather we have today!

never got on with the pickled onion mm like. just harshly acidic crunchy foam. y wanna try own brand soups man - much better. morrisons lentil n bacon's top'o'the pops . Yeah those pickled onion ones were are really acidic. I know what you mean though Stevie, they've made McVities Digestive lower fat but the only problem is now they are so soft crumbly that you can't dunk them In fact they're normally in bits in the packet, shame as they were my favourite biccies but I don't buy them now.

Aw I loved that avatar, bring him back!!! I used to post on the old Toon Chat now and again, then on HowaytheToon, then got an invite to here off someone Scottish Sorry I forget if it was Glasgow Mag or Scottish Mag In fact they could be the very same person

My Dad died last February. I was utterly devastated and I still am, I literately think of him every day. He was a great man - he worked on the Eurofighter and the Challenger II tank with British Aerospace Engineering where he worked for 30 odd years, supported me in my music to a massive extent, took me all the way to uni and dropped me with all my stuff and ran round like mad for me all the time. He was looking forward to retiring which made it worse. So you should proper appreciate your father before the inevitable happens. Very true Tom. 'You don't know what you've got until its gone' Often said but so right. I bet your Dad was very proud of you, how sad that he didn't reach retirement. Like your Dad did for you, my hubby does loads for our son, and thinks the world of him. He's a good Dad.

Off to see the Senna film Tuesday night, only showing it the one night here so I'm glad I booked our tickets in advance!

Happy Birthday

My Dad passed away a couple of years ago and hubby's Dad died recently so this was the first year that I haven't had to buy a card, it seemed really strange My son gave hubby a gift bag containing lots of treats. A bottle of Baileys, a few Cherry Beers, Box of Ferrero Rocher, a box of walnut whips and a DVD he wanted.

Its also moody as fuck at the minute, hardly one pleasant post today. Stevie's photos and stories being the exception to quite an unpleasant atmosphere. People need to lighten up, i would have thought the new signings would have perked people up a bit but it seems to have had the opposite effect. Funny that. Well said Chez. I have to agree, not enjoying myself much on here lately, I just have a quick read then off again as so many threads turn to bitching.

Oh My God this forum is so slow its driving me nuts

yeah my mistake...and there's no excuse for it as I knew that perfectly well

Oh boy that looks mouth watering I'll try that!

Never understood this; if you're not part of the tea/coffee shinding, then why the fuck should you be expected to contribute to their shenanigans? Kick them in the cunt J69! In the furry blood-spewing cunt! J69-My son has the same problem as you, he drinks water at work so refuses to be part of the tea/coffee making.

Aye I used to think like that, like when I joined 4 years ago and one or two others it was like it must've been for the Jamaicans when they first came to Britain in the 40's. Now they've all integrated and they're 100% British and play football and what not. I used to think like that too many years ago It was so 'clicky' And possibly still is! I have very little in common with any of you except I love the same team, but now I feel accepted

Tea-Tetley one cups as only my son and visitors drink tea Coffee-Douwe Egberts-Dark Roast. And we enjoy the occasional hot chocolate made with Cadbury's drinking chocolate and hot milk

The butler does our windows

Cardiff and Oban there and NOT Torbay or anywhere in Devon. How can Cardiff compare to beautiful Salcome or Dartmouth?!

Will glass coffins ever catch on? Remains to be seen

Had to post this. Video shot in Torquay. Good song too. The shot of them driving their car beside a beach is Meadfoot where I live!!