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Tbf, how else would they have afforded Derek Hatton's suits? The taxi bills were high too. :lol:

Soviet money was also paid to Socialist Worker, The Union movement, Socialist Party of GB, Militant Tendency (I saw the cheques) Communist Pary of GB and the Labour Party, Liverpool City council . During the miners strike food parcels were paid for by the Internationalist fund based in Czech adn Poland.

That old lark about CND being funded by the commies. Sorry Parky, you're not dense like manc mag and one or two others, but it was. It was and it wasn't, there is deffo some evidence that payments/fraternal grants were paid to cnd from dubious sources. Not many on here would know that mind.

Then the man is a fucking imbecile. The opportunity for fan's to own a club like Man Utd are long gone. FFS, we couldn't even get the 10% foothold to stop Glazer de-listing. Glazer reportedly values the club at £1.3 billion. Even if you could get all 70,000 match going supporters to cough up it's a £20 grand a head The man is fucking doolaly

Metapolitics lives. [Leazes/]

That old lark about CND being funded by the commies.

The trick should be to use corporate finance to offset supporter cash. Keep prices down etc...

Why? Costs will have been cut down to a bare minuimum and Premier league money guaranteed for another 2 years. I think promotion guarantees he stays for at least that long. Cause he's been trying to get out since he got in. Who says? I've only seen him call a £200m offer "an insult" and then scare off several parties interested enough to provide proof of funds up to £100m by showing them the books. He's then dropped the asking price to £80m, not while haggling with those parties though, but only once they'd walked away and no-one was left who'd shown an interest. What do you think KK was doing in NY last summer? What? Exaclty. It's classified anyway. :lol: Fuck all then. I thought so. I'm sure you can work it out. I afraid I can't . I need it spelled out. I fail to see how Keegan could be doing ANYTHING ANYWHERE that shows Ashley is or was eager to sell.....especially since nothing whasoever seems to have come of it. Keegler saw the writing on the wall early. He was looking for investors one of which was NY based....

Why? Costs will have been cut down to a bare minuimum and Premier league money guaranteed for another 2 years. I think promotion guarantees he stays for at least that long. Cause he's been trying to get out since he got in. It's been for sale at the 'right price' (i.e. more than any other knacker is willing to pay) since he bought it. Not quite the same as looking for an easy way out. His greed got the better of him that's for sure. The instrinsic value of the club I estimate with Pl football is about 240m. Roughtly turnonver x3 as a normal hedge fund would value it. He'd take less than that now like but I can't see anyone paying near that at present (or if/when we go up). Apart from anything the squad's worth about 50p and needs a massive overhaul. Broadly agree. A proper and fit buyer would need to put 500m aside if he was looking to get the thing working properly again. Who's got that sort of lolly lying about? You'd have to be fucking mental to pay close to what Ashley wants anyway, which is a major worry either way when you think about it. Lending rates are very low atm. Just need a visionary.

Why? Costs will have been cut down to a bare minuimum and Premier league money guaranteed for another 2 years. I think promotion guarantees he stays for at least that long. Cause he's been trying to get out since he got in. Who says? I've only seen him call a £200m offer "an insult" and then scare off several parties interested enough to provide proof of funds up to £100m by showing them the books. He's then dropped the asking price to £80m, not while haggling with those parties though, but only once they'd walked away and no-one was left who'd shown an interest. What do you think KK was doing in NY last summer? What? Exaclty. It's classified anyway. :lol: Fuck all then. I thought so. I'm sure you can work it out.

Why? Costs will have been cut down to a bare minuimum and Premier league money guaranteed for another 2 years. I think promotion guarantees he stays for at least that long. Cause he's been trying to get out since he got in. It's been for sale at the 'right price' (i.e. more than any other knacker is willing to pay) since he bought it. Not quite the same as looking for an easy way out. His greed got the better of him that's for sure. The instrinsic value of the club I estimate with Pl football is about 240m. Roughtly turnonver x3 as a normal hedge fund would value it. He'd take less than that now like but I can't see anyone paying near that at present (or if/when we go up). Apart from anything the squad's worth about 50p and needs a massive overhaul. Broadly agree. A proper and fit buyer would need to put 500m aside if he was looking to get the thing working properly again.

Why? Costs will have been cut down to a bare minuimum and Premier league money guaranteed for another 2 years. I think promotion guarantees he stays for at least that long. Cause he's been trying to get out since he got in. Who says? I've only seen him call a £200m offer "an insult" and then scare off several parties interested enough to provide proof of funds up to £100m by showing them the books. He's then dropped the asking price to £80m, not while haggling with those parties though, but only once they'd walked away and no-one was left who'd shown an interest. What do you think KK was doing in NY last summer? What? Exaclty. It's classified anyway. :lol:

So the potential new owners are waiting until Ashley has an excuse to raise his asking price? I think its evident we will be a much better prospect this summer than last. I agree it will be a balancing act between actual value and debt. If he's shifted 40m over to Barclays than he should set the price at 160m, but he won't he'll be looking for 240-260m + debt. Say 300m.

Why? Costs will have been cut down to a bare minuimum and Premier league money guaranteed for another 2 years. I think promotion guarantees he stays for at least that long. Cause he's been trying to get out since he got in. It's been for sale at the 'right price' (i.e. more than any other knacker is willing to pay) since he bought it. Not quite the same as looking for an easy way out. His greed got the better of him that's for sure. The instrinsic value of the club I estimate with Pl football is about 240m. Roughtly turnonver x3 as a normal hedge fund would value it.

Why? Costs will have been cut down to a bare minuimum and Premier league money guaranteed for another 2 years. I think promotion guarantees he stays for at least that long. Cause he's been trying to get out since he got in. Who says? I've only seen him call a £200m offer "an insult" and then scare off several parties interested enough to provide proof of funds up to £100m by showing them the books. He's then dropped the asking price to £80m, not while haggling with those parties though, but only once they'd walked away and no-one was left who'd shown an interest. What do you think KK was doing in NY last summer?

Why? Costs will have been cut down to a bare minuimum and Premier league money guaranteed for another 2 years. I think promotion guarantees he stays for at least that long. Cause he's been trying to get out since he got in.

The Trap.

Most businessmen are absolute fucking nightmares. MA is no different.

I think he wants out so that's not really a worry. Owning a football club is basically a total pain in the arse.

I've often wondered whether his intention was to spend big if the debt hadn't been there. Then again I can't understand if that was the case why he didn't just bite the bullet and spend anyway. Wasn't his stated intention always to put in another £20m each season? Which he claims to have stood by even having paid off the debt. He would say the additional £20m a season has gone on running costs. The argument against that is that he's only loaned the club money and so shifted the debt and gone on to increase it even further. If he's playing good cop next season 20m will be the transfer budget.

I've often wondered whether his intention was to spend big if the debt hadn't been there. Then again I can't understand if that was the case why he didn't just bite the bullet and spend anyway. NOt making excuses for him, but if the 100m or so liabilities hadn't been there I'm sure there would have been more money available.

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Thinking about it he's only really made one mistake - due dilligance. It was the fallout from that that coloured all his other gaffs.

No he's not All of which strengthens my point about his switch in approach from supportive chairman to assett stripping cunt. I would have sold all of those bar Faye, Bassong and Zoggy. Most were shit and the other rarely played due to inj. Given was unkeepable he played up so much iirc. You would have bought replacements too though. Yes. But cheaper younger ones with wage caps. I would have bought up everyone the ManU academy was releasing for a start inc Chris Eagles (reserve side).

The reason you've softened is that there are some signs of green shoots and whatever we think of MA he's one shrewd fuck, he's certainly turned our finances around and next year he'll go into profit. Job done. The thing is though any football club can go into profit, that doesnt mean its a good thing for the club, merely a good one for the owner. Ashley hasnt got us on track through good football business hes done so through tightening the belt, thats not to say it wasnt needed but shaving 200+ members of loyal staff and closing parts of the ground down because you've lost sponsors, corporate customers and on the day fans isnt good business. I'll be impressed when he raises a profit by increasing the turnover to exceed the outgoings not by merely reducing the outgoings to below the turnover. Turnover against outgoings will be positive next year (withouth going through all the numbers again). I don't really disagree with your core ideas as I'm an invest 50m in the side kind of guy (well documented here and in the other place). But we all have to accept that the fianacial environment has changed (I've lost about 70% of my business). MA didn't really understand the weighting between expectations and cold business, this may change, you and the NUST will have to be prepared for that eventuality over the next year. MA won't want to be relegated again that's for sure. One of the blessings in disguise was that we weren't a leveeraged buyout and that has saved this club form oblivion. He is only short of one or two good football men in the boardroom and a good manager from being begining to be seen as some kind of saviour. These things are always in flux. The signs will be clear early doors next season.