Park Life

Will someone get the oil already!!

Surely not.

Recommend something please. I'd honestly love to read some persuasive arguments that suggest we're going about things the right way. Sure, start with www.google.com (that one's for alex) I wasn't suggesting there are any persuasive arguments of that nature, just that citing individual deaths that happen in contentious circumstances is merely highlighting the inevitable consequences of any conflict, and therefore pointless. A proper critique of the mission in Afghanistan would focus on - to give a recent example - the snail-paced progress between the last two elections or the absolute confusion of Obama's policies toward the conflict. There are any number of things on a strategic level that have been inept at best, perhaps the biggest disaster was trying to mount the Iraq invasion in the midst of this mission; a much better job could have been done had that not been the case although it would have been no guarantee. The Afghan mission is doomed to failure now in light of the clamour for the withdrawal of troops in most of the nations involved. The drone strikes will continue, the Pakistani government seemingly is ok with them despite their public protestations. I can only hope the Karzai government coalesces with the other elements in the country and provides something approaching stability once NATO forces have mostly left. They may be endemically corrupt (Karzai et al) but that is what happens in failed states. The preeminent malady of the effort has been incompetence from the get go. At least - to end on a positive - the Taliban and Al Quaeda have been weakened significantly. The only problem with all this disneyland type thinking is that Karzai is totally corrupt former 'oilman' and the 'Govt' have little power outside of the capital. Afg is primarily a tribal culture with regional leaders of various persuasions (the main one being war/drugs/guns). It's pointless thinking we'll make it like Suffolk if we stay there long enough.

Always tickled me and this is true, that the full backs weren't allowed to cross the half way line unless thez were losing and it was the last 10min.

Let's cut through the crap, it's basically made up and not in the jackanory style of times gone by, no - that would be too straighforward. It's made up in such a way with such weight of evidence it looks as if it's real.

Thank god we have the Tunisians opinion on the matter Well he is of Tunisian heritage apparently. Might be news to some on here I guess.

Was chatting to some Tunisians in a bar the other day and they are all shocked nothing has been done about DeJong.

Senseless act. I am sick of this world that has stood by for so long and watched this genocide against a people.

We've never called for a managers head after 7 games. In fact Gullit's record in 99/00 was 0 1 7, yet he got applauded in the car park when he left. I hate these cunts so much. The only manager I truly wanted rid of was Souness, and even then our patience was pushed so far, they wouldn't have put up with FSA CGS RG as long as we did that's a fact. Their class, hounding a manager who brung them 6 trophies in 4 years, who had a heart attack and almost died, out of the club for ONLY coming 5th, then the next year HIS team win the biggest trophy of the lot. Their quality, don't know what that means but other than maybe 7 seasons they've had better sides than us over the last 50 years. Their history, up to 1971 we had a richer history than them they far suppass us now though so I'll give them that one. Their dignity is the best one. No club in world football has the blood on their hands that they do. Callously causing the deaths of 39 innocent football fans in a cowardly charge, then having the audacity to blame, Chelsea, the stadium, the fuckin NF and everyone but themselves. Cowardly stealing tickets off their own fans on the biggest night of their lives in Athens. Now I make no bones about this we are better people than them, this has never and would never happen with us so it can't be dismissed as high spirits. Also do they not learn, they lost 96 of their own and stormed the gates in Athens, there were many thousands more in the ground than should have been. They are the most downtrodden set of wanks this country has ever or will ever know, fuckin dignity, the utter ignorance is astonishing. You’re known for wanting rid of managers and not giving them time to build. You would say you had cast iron reasons for wanting rid, but like with most football clubs it’s only really the fans OF THAT CLUB who know the truth of what’s going on and what they’re watching every other Saturday. Your hate is very apparent and I'd be very worried if I was that obsessed about another team and it's fans.. There is nothing Liverpool fans do that could possibly meet with your approval. The hate, bile and jealousy from you is the most hideous thing on this site. Yes, there’s others on here that hate us but it’s a pretty healthy hate imo. Yours is just plain ugly. Roy Hodgson, imo, is the worst manager that’s ever walked in to Anfield and the politics surrounding his appointment stinks to high heaven. His tactics are worse than Houlliers in his last two years. He keeps telling us that he shouldn’t be questioned because he’s one of the most respected coaches in Europe and his tactics have transferred from Timbuktu to the rest of the world, wherever. His tactics consist of two banks of four, the back four just in front of the penalty box and the midfield just in front of them. They then mark space waiting for the opposition to attack, when they hopefully win the ball and hoof it up to Torres who has four defenders around him, or to whichever player he’s supposedly playing in the hole which for Roy is the halfway line. It has nothing to do with we're we are in the table, nor even to do with winning anything. Usually with a new manager you can see what he's trying to do within a few games, you see positives that you know will get better over the season. There is nothing like that, it's just defend, defend, defend and nobody can see it going anywhere. Houllier didn’t have a heart attack, he had a leaking heart valve and though he recovered he was never the same again. There were many who were sad to see him go but he had the team going backwards in those two years after his illness, and it was time for him to go. Nothing to do with coming 5th, the decision was made at board room level long before that because of his developing paranoia and marginalising of players. If his team was capable of winning the CL why didn’t he do it? It was more the addition of two Benitez players in Luis Garcia and Xabi Alonso that took us to the final, plus the fact that he’d given Carragher a settled place in the team at CB in which he reveled that season. Benitez and that team won the Champions League, no-one else. Callously? You are a nutter, you weren’t there and believe me, shamefully there was no cowardice about the charge. Again, you weren’t there so haven’t got a clue what the stadium was like. There were no gates at Athens. I have never seen anyone downtrodden in this city and the rest of your opinion is truly ironic. Why do you need to pick this year or that year to show you won some trophies, it's really pathetically small time, we'd won 7 league titles by '71, we were on our way to dominating European and domestic football, get over it. Think the players are to blame for Liv current predicamet rather than Roy. He's earnt his chance at a big club and nothing of what he's upto will emerge in the side till he's been given at least 6-9 months. Liv main problem is the players look jaded and uninterested and don't seem to fancz a season in which thez are going to have to roll their sleeves up. Gerrard is slowlz but surelz becoming shit.

White people are boring unless they have a touch of racism in them. Bit like going abroad and talking loudly instead of taking a phrasebook.

Hogson OUT!!!!!!!!11111111 http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index....0158#msg7500158 Fuck me.

I reckon that theirs is a worse "kind" of racism as well, it's not a racism born of ignorance or fear, it's almost an air of superiority and condescension. perhaps it's because the people on council estates are more and more likely to go to school with kids of different backgrounds, certainly more so than kids who go to Malborough and the like. You and Stevie have got exactly what I'm talking about. It's intellectual and born of priveledge and prestige. The "in the blood" racism of council estates etc is just ingrained in a ridiculiiusly silly way and can easily be unlearnt imo.

Would have been better to stay out of Afg and Iraq non?

Toon star Ben Arfa's operation was success Oct 7 2010 by Mark Douglas, Evening Chronicle Hatem Ben Arfa SURGERY on Hatem Ben Arfa’s double leg break was a “complete success”, Newcastle boss Chris Hughton has revealed. Ben Arfa will leave hospital today and looks set to return to France for the first stages of what promise to be a long rehabilitation after breaking both tibia and fibia bones in his left leg. But he will be back in the North East soon, with Newcastle promising to provide as much support as they can to get him back in a black-and-white shirt before the end of the season. “The doctors have told us that the operation was a success but it’s important what happens next for Hatem,” Hughton told the Chronicle. “The leg has to be stabilised, and it’s a long healing process for him. But we will support him every step of the way. “I would imagine that Hatem will go home for some of the time he is out injured, but he will be in Newcastle with the club medical staff too – it will be a combination of the two. It will be dictated by what is best for his injury. “It is too early to talk about when he will come back really. It is very early days at the moment.” Hughton, meanwhile, has drawn a line under the sickening incident that caused his injury, saying Nigel de Jong is now far from his thoughts. “A lot has been said about the tackle but my response is that our concentration has to be on the next game,” he said. “We have to get ourselves ready to play Wigan an Read More http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-u.../#ixzz11gbNaq8k

I've been in very posh company from time to time and actually the racism in such rarified nests is very startling. "Ragheads" was used routinely. Shameful really. Ironically latent racism is much more common amongst the upper middle classes rather than football lads like Sniffs.

I think that's the 'problem' though. The approach is fine away from home but probably too conservative at home against the majority of teams. That's what started the conversation tbh. Why he isn't more aggessive and attacking at home made me wonder if this was all due to the fact that he was a defender in his playing days. I do like how we seem to be passing more of the ball on the deck as opposed to the longball approach of Allardyce, Kinnear, and to an extent Shearer. It seems that the passing is only over 2/3 of the pitch with nothing in that final third. That's why there is more urgency and gay abandon when we go behind. The 'plan' goes out the window.

Think he could just about manage to cover the Technical area for 90 minutes.

Prepare to be corrected again - in the 7th century, we probably didn't have "carpets" (those were from Persia, who certainly weren't Muslim at the time), we (or the world) didn't have coffee until the 1400s, and algebra wasn't codified into one discipline until the 8th century. The 7th century - well, picture a vast sandy desert somewhere in the middle of a much vaster sandy desert in the Arabian Peninsula - what we now call Saudi Arabia - where small bands of independent tribes (heavily inbred no doubt) herded camels, warred with one another, occasionally wrote poetry and recited it at inter-tribe meetings, and visited small cities built around oases (such as Mecca). Then the Prophet came, warred with the city folk of Mecca, was eventually thrown out for being a 'heretic', fled across the desert to Medina, raised an army, defeated the city dwellers at Mecca and unified the tribes into the nation of Islam, then began to go out and spread the new religion. That's what the Islamists want to return to - a society dominated entirely by religion and religious law, headed by a ruler who can trace his right to rule from the original Rightly-Guided caliphs, who spread their religion and culture through warfare. I hope you can understand that the rest of us - that is, the vast majority - have no intention of going back to that way of life and do not support those who do. Sounds very poetic though. You do realise that spreading culture through warfare is exactly what we're (the west) are upto?

The Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks is determined to fight to hang on to control of the club after refusing to recognise the chairman Martin Broughton's authority. Broughton, appointed in April to oversee the sale, revealed yesterday that Hicks attempted to sack the managing director, Christian Purslow, and commercial director Ian Ayre and install his own people in order to block a £300m deal with New England Sports Ventures (NESV). That was blocked by Broughton, who insists Hicks signed agreements not to oppose the sale when the club received an extension to their refinancing deal with Royal Bank of Scotland earlier this year. Hicks and co-owner George Gillett stand to lose a total of £144m if the NESV deal goes through. Hicks's New York-based spokesman Mark Semer said that Broughton's claim was disputed by the Americans. "There were no such undertakings given to Broughton, the board has been legally reconstituted, and the new board does not approve of this proposed transaction," Semer told Bloomberg News. After rejecting the attempted coup, which would have seen Hicks's son Mack and Lori McCutcheon, of Hicks Holdings, replace Purslow and Ayre, Broughton continued with the conference call board meeting even though Hicks had put the phone down. The chairman is confident he and the other two England-based members of the board have acted appropriately but they will not be able to have that confirmed until the issue is thrashed out in court next week."

You're right. It's pretty sick like, but I really hope they go bust, cant happen but it would be lovely if it did. It's sick taking satisfaction from other people's pain, but I remember the season before we went down, and we were in trouble, we lost 3-0 at Anfield, and the only song they sung all day was "going down going down going down" and they took great delight in it too. It's not entirely clear that this deal won't unravel and then the fog thickens.

Yeah sell Torres and Gerrard.

I think on the continent, especially Italy, they're generally defensive anyway regardless where they played during their careers. And wars.

Wake?