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Is swp still the player he was? Must be getting on a bit for a winger and short of games too? Hasn't really played much for about 100 years.

From that article: "These are very serious charges. It would mean [bush administration officials] were dead-set on going to war alone since almost the day they took office and deliberately lied to the American people, Congress, and the world," Kerry said. "It would mean that for purely ideological reasons they planned on putting American troops in a shooting gallery, occupying an Arab country almost alone. The White House needs to answer these charges truthfully because they threaten to shatter [its] already damaged credibility as never before." Fuck me.

I agree on the point that America might still have got into a war with Iraq without 9/11 as everything the neo-cons were having wet dreams about pointed to that. But ultimately what a catastrophic blunder as it leaves Iran without a hostile Iraq to worry about and also a free opp to harry American forces in Iraq as long as they are bogged down there and continue to strengthen the Shia living in Iraq. If 9/11 hadnt happened then they would have invaded North Korea and KSA would be making arguments about the horrors of subjugation to the Worker's Party. And the agony of living in all those grey and dank cities.

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That's £15 worth of music and £5 worth of dinner! Clearest thinker on these here boards.

They've a different 1st team now though. With a couple of key additions in Barton and SWP could have a dramatic impact on the way they play and on the standard at which they play. 1-1 Jonas and Barton Agreed they are a stronger side now. This Taarbat character is the one I'm most worried about.

Sticking by a comfortable win for us. QPR despite a battling performance at Everton (which cost me money the fucks), aren't really all that.

Think he has a point the Chelsea buildup of recent years has been meandering to say the least.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/1...n&seid=auto Absolutely spot on.

I agree on the point that America might still have got into a war with Iraq without 9/11 as everything the neo-cons were having wet dreams about pointed to that. But ultimately what a catastrophic blunder as it leaves Iran without a hostile Iraq to worry about and also a free opp to harry American forces in Iraq as long as they are bogged down there and continue to strengthen the Shia living in Iraq.

Think he's on the bench.

It was unstable because of it. Saddam was getting desperate trying to pull rank in his later years, he even etched out a Koran in his own blood, among several appeals to the religious extreme. If Hussein died you contend the Ba'ath party would have continued to rule a 'stable' Iraq? Care to substantiate that? I'll be back after 10pm, might be too knackered to post by then. I don't contend that at all. I moonwalk over you and your tiredness.

And...as most of the post war licensing rights for oil have been bought up by the French, British and Dutch, its been a complete washout America. The dumbest president on the face of the earth has delivered the worst outcome for Americans and good riddance.

That's a shit answer. Nothing with regard to the structure of Iraqi society is that simple, and it certainly would not have been without significant bloodshed. You think Uday would have happily seen the various factions split up and mind their own business? And if you honestly think that the said factions would do that, then you have ideas in your head that have absolutely no bearing on reality. Given the state of Iraqi society and the countries that surround it, it was a catastophe waiting to happen, with or without our influence. YOu've lost me now. This is what if stuff like strawmen have gone out of fashion. I have no idea what the effect Oil of Ulay would have had on a post Saddam Iraq. If you're asking me if the Baath party would still be in power if there had been no war, then I would take you a bit more seriously. I asked you, quite simply, what do you suppose would have happened after Saddam died. You answered that it would have simply been magical fairy land with the various factions settling into their own patches. Utter bollocks, a derisory effort, even by your standards. You're move deftly into pointless fiction is well known in these parts. I repeat without the iron fist of the baath party Iraqi society was highly unstable. Once the Baath party were taken out of the equation by your burger muching psychotic hillbillies, Iraq started to disintegrate along religios and tribal lines. Can't say it any simpler.

That's a shit answer. Nothing with regard to the structure of Iraqi society is that simple, and it certainly would not have been without significant bloodshed. You think Uday would have happily seen the various factions split up and mind their own business? And if you honestly think that the said factions would do that, then you have ideas in your head that have absolutely no bearing on reality. Given the state of Iraqi society and the countries that surround it, it was a catastophe waiting to happen, with or without our influence. YOu've lost me now. This is what if stuff like strawmen have gone out of fashion. I have no idea what the effect Oil of Ulay would have had on a post Saddam Iraq. If you're asking me if the Baath party would still be in power if there had been no war, then I would take you a bit more seriously.

Which you could say gives them more of a responsibility to get rid of him. Mate that's spin like I've never seen.

Odenwingie is a class above anything on that pitch today.

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As a namby-pamby Leftie I fucking hate it when bollocks like "Bush and Blair killed a million Iraqis" is spouted. They certainly caused the shitpot (with obvious help from Saddam) but the notion that Western forces killed that number is shite. Seems like you can't mention the factional terrorism. Aye, that's what prompted me to read further about Iraq, even about Saddam Hussein and his rise/reign. People shouting, "Hey mannn, Bush and Blair have the bloood of millions of innocent Iraqis on their hands just for OILLL MANNN. Not in my nammeee duddeee." I wasn't aware that they went to war on behalf of your name, you idiotic hippie numbskull. You'll know then how far up America's arse Hussain was and the many visits to sell arms and gas by the Pentagon.

There's a counter argument by historians that the army was disintegrating anyway, I don't buy it fully, probably a mixture of both scenarios. What the fuck has that got to do with the question you have refused (you're incapable) to answer? You have just derailed a good thread until NJS has responded again, stay out of these threads until you've taken your meds, schlappschwanz. I know you get moody when the Sunny Delight runs out. You can't answer the question I put to you, claiming, "Oh mann my posts have disappeared mann it's a conspiracy dudee," and then you post utter bollocks like, "oohh Iraq didn't even exist duddee it's just a hologram not in the realm of cellular reality mann, pass me the dutchie." Why do you even bother, stick to your shite predictions like 'Smith will be a very important player for us'. Smith's influence in the changing room has been vastly underestimated.

There's a counter argument by historians that the army was disintegrating anyway, I don't buy it fully, probably a mixture of both scenarios. What the fuck has that got to do with the question you have refused (you're incapable) to answer? You have just derailed a good thread until NJS has responded again, stay out of these threads until you've taken your meds, schlappschwanz. I know you get moody when the Sunny Delight runs out. The insurgency was primarily run by ex-officers from the old army and ex-soldiers with no money to feed their children. They knew where the arms caches were and they knew how to organise. The other wing was shia hit squads armed by Iran and a tiny tiny proportion was other arabs and Pakistanis and so on...Jihadding it. Again, fuck all to do with Al Kidder in the scheme of things.

Iraq was a fictonal country created primarily by the British and once the totalitarian rule of SH was over it was bound to break up along sectarian lines. It's as simple as that.

As a namby-pamby Leftie I fucking hate it when bollocks like "Bush and Blair killed a million Iraqis" is spouted. They certainly caused the shitpot (with obvious help from Saddam) but the notion that Western forces killed that number is shite. Seems like you can't mention the factional terrorism. Iran supported the shia in northern Iraq. What did anybody expext them to do sit back and grow daisies? And the shia never had any links with Al Kidder. And Iraq had 0 to do with 9/11.

The main group of the resistence in Iraq were the ex-soldiers once they were fired (a catastrophic descision by Paul Bremer). Read at least one book on Iraq before you start talking shit about it.

They would have sold bits of his beard for bread and medicine. utter bollocks. Oh no, wait, even better: ZANY. That's your monika fish face.