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# Debt doesn't come into it though? If it's about turnover vs expenditure then Man U are fine. Their problem is the financing of their debt which I don't think is taken into account. Chelsea mightn't be too far away either. Though City could be fucked unless they really increase their revenue in the near future. Haven't read through the fair play stuff properly, but iirc farming debt out to secondary nominee businesses as a way to mask spend will be looked at.

United's commercial income has accelerated since the Glazers arrived and sought partners from Singha Beer to Turkish Airlines, Smirnoff to Epson, DHL and numerous telecommunications firms. Collectively, they paid £40m in 2010-11 (above and beyond 'toprank' cash from Aon and Nike) to be associated with the club, and spent another £80m on marketing campaigns to promote their associations. In another few years, United will likely have an official cola partner (Coke or Pepsi), energy partner, an electronics partner and fridge partner, you name it. Their marketing experts are also working on ways to 'monetise' their online fanbase, including 14m-plus 'followers' on Twitter, and how to make more on match day, perhaps via packages for the 'uber-rich' involving helicopter to the ground, limo transfer across the car park, private lift to a suite and Michelin dining during the match. More immediately, Sir Alex will be pondering how to spend money, and the Glazers wondering what to do with what is left over, including clearing some of that debt. Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1n1EvgXOt Irritatingly I think the trend with ManU is positive and they (The Glazers) are going to get away with buying the club in the farcical manner they have. Their marketing is world class.

Those figures are from when we were in the CCC. That's right. I was going to add a correction but forgot. Our wages against turnover is now at 65-69% or thereabouts. Our total income is around the figures bandied about in the thread 88m or thereabouts. **Our target which I agree with you on should be 120m and we will get close to that once we are back on Europe. The interesting thing about that table is that Chelsea, ManU and ManC will fall foul of debt v turnover rules if they are correctly applied when fairplay comes in. I suspect Chelsea are in danger of being banned from Euro football. ManC are trying to get around this with the etiHad deal which is basically fake income (ie they can say it is whatever they want to say it is to cover losses). I also suspect that Fulham and Villa are carrying unsustainable debt and will need severe corrections. Villa and Lerner have already started on this....

Across Manchester, United made £286m turnover, more than any other club if Arsenal's property income is discounted – yet the costs and interest on the debts the owners, the Glazer family, have loaded on to the club, pushed United into a losing £79m. Double-winners in 2009-10 Chelsea, whose owner, the Russian oil oligarch Roman Abramovich, is always cited as a supporter of Uefa's break-even "financial fair play" principles, made the next biggest loss, £78m. Tottenham's successful push for Champions League qualification was achieved with a £7m loss and £15m investment from the owners, principally Bahamas-based currency speculator, Joe Lewis. debt in BOLD See the full page at Many Eyes The table below shows turnover plus income from things such as gate/matchday and TV and broadcasting as well as net debt for each club and wages as a percentage of turnover. The spreadsheet to download includes additional accounts details such as losses, profits and which money put in by the owners. There's a pdf of the accounts too. What can you do with the data? Data summary Finances of the Premier League from latest accounts Click heading to sort - Download this data Team Turn - over, £m Gate and Matc - hday income, £m TV and Broad - casting, £m Comm - ercial, £m Wages as Prop - ortion of Turn - over (%) Net Debt, £m Interest pay - able, £m Arsenal 382 94 85 31 29 136 19 Aston Villa 91 24 52 14 88 110 5 Bolton Wanderers 62 9 38 4 74 93 5 Chelsea 213 5 82 734 0.8 Everton 79 19 50 10 69 45 4 Fulham 77 11 43 9 63 190 2 Liverpool 185 43 80 62 65 123 18 Manchester City 125 18 54 53 106 41 4 Manchester United 286 100 104 81 46 590 107 Newcastle United 52 21 16 15 90 150 2 Sunderland 65 13 39 5 83 66 2 Tottenham Hotspur 119 27 52 8 56 65 6 http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/19/football-club-accounts-debt

Abramovich has reconfigured his investment as loans, but without interest. Without that slight of hand their figures would be a nightmare.

Spurs have spent more money on players than Liv between 04-10.

Must you persist with this narrative?

Don't break your heads over it fellas, my weighting system will filter out any nosense.

Still listen to DM. Good for sat mornings.

Nice bit of gated/flanged hi hat.

Its taken a while as i've been deciding on which Tangerine Dream album deserves a spot. Their catalogue is enormous but i think Rubycon will be on it, mainly because how ahead of its time it was. Also, can i include Inner City's Testament 93? Deserves a spot even if it is a remix album. Put it in bro. Good to see TD getting some representation. http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=58114 http://echoesblog.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/ten-tangerine-dream-albums-to-blow-your-mind/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIm66iIBrz8

Spurs have outspent Liverpool from 2004 right upto 2010. FACT.

I've balanced it by going for 6th.

1 Man C 2 Spurs 3 ManU 4 Chelsea 5 Arsenal 6 Newcastle 7 Liverpool 8 Everton 9 Sunderland 10 Stoke 11 Fulham 12 Aston Villa 13 WBA 14 Swansea 15 QPR 16 Norwich 17 Bolton 18 Blackburn 19 Wolves 20 Wigan

Don't think he's ever said that.

if proof were needed we can turn any thread into gold...It's all right here.

A touch of the Max Mosleys? Nailed.

"Master accountant".

Bit mingin. There's something sexy about krauts like. I think it's because I dehumanise them in my head as wierd as that sounds [/bigot] The things I used to pretend when I was first banging Mrs P in Berlin. My god I'm not safe.

Juuuust hold that position a moment love...

Put 'The Grey' in there as well.

Bit mingin.

It's a matter of record that it was Gemmill who bought the club to it's knees with his blind backing of Souness. Not happy with that he went on to cripple Northern Rocks and now has set his sights on taking apart the Virgin empire. He is a one man wrecking ball of the Northern economy. All this is well documented and considered FACT.

There's a glitch in the Matrix.