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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-10/competing-gas-pipelines-are-fueling-syrian-war-migrant-crisis Foreign meddling in Syria began several years before the Syrian revolt erupted. Wikieaks released leaked US State Department cables from 2006 revealing US plans to overthrow the Syrian government through instigating civil strife, and receiving these very orders straight from Tel Aviv. The leaks reveal the United State’s partnership with nations like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and even Egypt to use sectarianism to divide Syria through the Sunni and Shiite divide to destabilize the nation to weaken Iran and Hezbolla. Israel is also revealed to attempt to use this crisis to expand it’s occupation of the Golan Heights for additional oil exploration. According to major media outlets like the BBC and the Associated Press, the demonstrations that supposedly swept Syria were comprised of only hundreds of people, but additional Wikileaks cables reveal CIA involvement on the ground in Syria to instigate these very demonstrations as early as March 2011." State Dept officials commented: "Yeah they have to wear these strange costumes and always with the face covered...We're going to sort it out".

Have a good one mate.

Here: Lord Reid, secretary of state for defence from 2005 to 2006, said in 2008 that he had become group consultant to G4S, the security company that worked closely with the Ministry of Defence in Iraq. Michael Portillo, (pictured) the secretary of state for defence from 1995 to 1997, became non-executive director of BAE Systems in 2002 before stepping down in 2006. Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy, the chief of staff from 2006-2009, retired from the RAF last year and will become senior military adviser to BAE Systems in January. Admiral Sir John Slater, the former first sea lord, left the military in 1998 and became a director and senior adviser to Lockheed Martin UK. Major-General Graham Binns left the military this year and is chief executive of Aegis Defence Services, a leading security company. Sir Kevin Tebbit, permanent under secretary at the MoD, is chairman of Finmeccanica UK, owner of Westland helicopters. David Gould, the former chief operating officer of the MoD's procurement division, is now chairman of Selex Systems, part of Finmeccanica. They absolutely fuckin love it. Tony Blair was renting some of his properties to Thales btw the 7th biggest defence contractor on the planet. The psychopathic killing machine is only momentarily dulled by expensive wines in gentleman's clubs.

Nope. They tried but failed on that one. Couple of them had been out to Syria done some fighting and come back. Isis has run out of places to go that might be easy. Surrounded as they are now on all sides and people leaving in droves. These attacks are primarily cause they want 'boots on the ground' cause that will attract more to the cause. Isis are the donkeys of terror groups. The reason AlQ never wanted land is that its too easy to infiltrate and attack. And unlike say the Taliban in Afghanistan there aren't enough locals to make it feel real. America say they hit some of these tankers that are shuttling oil around, they say they left them alone for a couple of years cause they didn't want civilian casualties. I don't know who believes this shit. Putin in #Turkey: I provided examples based on our data on the financing of different #ISIL units by private individuals. "This money, as we have established, comes from 40 countries and, there are some of the G20 members among them”, Putin says "I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space & from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil"

The refusal by Western leaders and MSM to take Saudi and Qatar to task says it all Aimaad. Here sponsor another PL club, here have a World Cup...You want to buy more jets and tanks you say?

That's a heartening story. Anyway as I was saying earlier about the schisms and misplayed hands of Isis: 1. The internal Wahhabi war: There is no war within Islam in Syria, as Thomas Friedman and his ilk keep asserting. There has been a moderate and progressive strand of Islam in Syria and many of its elements have aligned themselves with the regime. And contrary to early claims made by the hired external opposition and its advocates in the West, there was never a moderate and progressive version of Islam among the rebel groups. How could that be the case when the sponsors of Syrian rebel Islam are Turkey, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia? Mufti Hassun (although he is an ally and perhaps a tool of the regime, and even the slain Sheikh al-Buti) is far more progressive than any of his adversaries on the other side, including Mu`adh al-Khatib who has railed in the past about the ills of social media, masturbation and Jews, and who praised al-Nusrah Front early on his tenure as leader of the Syrian National Council. The internal Wahhabi war is pitting the various Wahhabi parties in the region against each other. The Saudi regime, Qatari regime, al-Qa`idah (Nusrah Front) and ISIS: all four are Wahhabi and each is trying to dominate the field of the Wahhabi movement. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/asad-abukhalil/syria-proxy-wars_b_5874488.html

Most of what he says is right. Some of it is cobblers. He does over reach in certain parts cause he doesn't have an angle on the mix. And one or two bits are wrong...But the tone of it is about right. The causality bits are correct with regard to neo-imperialism but it isn't as organized and deliberate as he makes out. The situation is in flux and the road map is moving around. There are problems down the road and austerity is being slipped in with a good dose of fear. Fear of immigration fear of terrorism, fear of 'the other' and the acceptance of the 'new normal'. The routine is always the same. History shows us that the biggest barrier to their insane antics is the host population and now even more with the spread of independent media and social networks. The crackdown on all this is coming. The new surveillance powers are a sign. Soon ole Parky won't be able to say what he thinks. Believe it baby it's coming. Prepare yourselves. Rise my charmlings.

I'm more South Indian these days. Sweet and Sour tomato curries and fuchka.

It's the marketing it's why people travel there. It's why people join them instead of AlQ. It enhances the idea of a pure Islamic land with Sharia law. A permanence. It's a pipe dream. People have been leaving Isis in droves. In fact they have been making videos about people not leaving... They've been mining around their territory to stop people leaving. The truth is its a rag tag army of clowns with a core of veteran and professional soldiers and would be defeated by any western power in short order. It's been tolerated in so far as it might have taken Assad down...But as I said they don't fight Assad much. I'm sure in the Pentagon they are tearing their hair out.

I said they aren't sure what they want hence me referencing infighting between various clerics that led to them breaking away from AlQ. I said in the Syria thread a good two weeks ago the war was coming to Europe and I'm irritated I was right about that. By definition Isis want to engage 'the army of Rome'. Yes they are fantasists but when nutcases are backed with money and weapons fantasy becomes reality. Isis started in Iraq after the power vacuum we created by making it a failed state and all the overkill we just had to bring to bear. The overkill was unnecessary and it sent a message to the whole of Islam. Iraq and then Libya are the key to Isis cause they picked up not only a lot of weapons the Americans left behind in Iraq (which was strange) but also the stuff Gadaffi had. The initial ground command structure was built around the Sunni ex-Bathists who had nothing to do and no money to feed their families after we dismantled the Iraqi army, hence their early victories almost like a professional army. When they had a few beat backs in Iraq they high tailed it into Syria firstly to the oil fields and they have been selling oil to various bad actors in the region. The Gulf states and in particular Saudi saw a chance to appropriate this scenario to take down Assad so suddenly they had even more money and now hi tech stuff which comes in through Libya and Turkey. Isis dogma is a throwback to early Islam hence it dovetailed nicely with the Wahabbi sect of Islam which is barbaric and practiced by Saudi. Even AlQ was surprised by the routine savagery of Isis. In amongst all this Qatar wants a gas pipeline to go through Syria and Assad said no primarily cause it will harm Russia and Gazprom in Europe. America wants this pipeline too as do Turkey who are looking to make money from it and are want to work with Qatar on it. So for the longest of times NATO left Isis alone and didn't mind that many of its airdrops (for moderates but who the fuck they are nobody knows) ended up in their hands. Turkey gave safe passage to Jihadi's from all over the world and probably has been buying oil from Isis. The Turks meanwhile have eyes on Kurdish areas and were allowed to bomb Kurds because they are a NATO player and we need them in the area. Kurds it must be said were having huge successed against Isis because they have a legitimate cause and they are excellent ground fighters. No matter NATO sat back untill very recently and let it happen... What do Isis want? Their own piece of real estate to call their own (frankly a pipe dream) although it might have been facilitated if at the same time they took out Assad. Bearing in mind the Caliphate is hype and nonsense to sell an already failing project (AlQ and some of their clerics called the Isis clertics real estate agents). What went wrong for Isis? Well the gumbies that they are they started fighting the other sects and took an immediate dislike to Al Nusra (AlQ in Syria). Infact they started leaving Assad alone and attacking other Jihadis...So Assad and Russia left Isis alone (as America had done for the longest of time - at least 2 years) and started getting on with with cleaning out the 6 other main factions. Gulf States upped the ante and let the nutters out of their prisons and their purses to get more fighters into Syria, the same thing Saddam did at the end of the war because these prison guys are in there for a reason...In an area where nutters rule the ones in prison are the prime nutters. The CIA got to work in Jordan training up and arming various other Jihadis (you know the ones they call moderates who do head chopping as well). Guys beguiled by all the fancy Isis marketing started arriving from Pakistan, Chechneya (the Russians took notice), Bosnia, Azerbijan). Blackwater got more work, the arms industry drank more champage and our leaders carried on lying every chance they had. Isis are losing in Syria. The Sunni/Shia paradigm (the final battle with Iran) looks like its not going to work this time. The initial motivation was revenge (the core Baathists that looked around at their erased country) which morphed as the myth grew into the Caliphate but it all stems back to us turning Iraq and Libya into failed states. Like Cambodia a lot of these guys have come to the end of their sanity (you know little shit like whole countries getting wiped out) and like Cambodia Isis are year zero.

I know exactly what Isis are and what they are doing. What we are doing and what the Russians are doing. I've been posting on Western foreign policy for a decade on 6 different forums. Nobody really wants to hear it cause it doesn't make good reading. And frankly I'm tired of going on about it. I got into this thread cause I was angry and sad about the sheer inevitability of what happend in Paris my favorite city.

It's on the rise.

The cheese curry is tricky.

France and the West might make a start by stopping arms sales to the region. No there will never be any talk of this anywhere ever. Fuck they won't even extradite or rendition (one of their fav pastimes) the clerics who sit in 5 star hotels in Qatar calling for Jihad. Heaven help Corbyn for trying at least to broaden the debate. They are practically calling him a Jihadi already. That's the state of play.

I honestly don't think they even really know. There is a lot of propaganda from them which seems like deluded nonsense once you look into the logistics of it. The have no or little heavy armour and no airforce and no means to set up a state. There is an intercene war going on right now between their clerics and AlQ clerics on which actually date the Mahdi or the Jalal will arrive. What I have found astounding is the free ride their propaganda machine has got from our media. I don't want to get into it in the Paris thread. I'm as angry as you are whether you live in Paris or not. What every sane person wants is us the fuck out of the Middle East.

No it's not its obviously cause Muslims are evil.

Gloom looks proper hard core I don't know if Meenz can live with it.

From the Guardian: The five leading western nations involved in the Syria crisis – the so-called quintet of the US, Italy, Germany, France and the UK – are to hold an unscheduled meeting on Monday lunchtime in Turkey to review the Syrian peace process and discuss what assurances can be given to persuade Russia that a deal over Syria is possible that will protect their interests." Strangely there is now a peace process. 3 weeks ago before the Russian air campaign is was all Assad must go!!

America has the force projection in the region to clear Isis out in a week.

One would have imagined they would have headed straight for Israel. Who knows eh?

Stop it.

The vid is alright bar the Assad Sarin attack which nobody now believes. It was pretty much the Turks behind it to get America into the war. They don't mention the Qatar/Turk gas pipeline which is one of 'our' main goals there.

I reckon you and Meenz need a curry cook off.