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I'd hoy on Viduka, Owen AND Martins. Whether it meant Martins on the right or behind the front 2. I really should be given a job in football management. Keegan blatantly read this and has stuck with it since

Beautiful cinema. Lovely photography an all.

There was demo's and sit ins (people sat in the square on their sofas) when the local Govt wanted to put up 4 cameras here. They only have them in the main train stations currently as far as I can see. Sensible to be honest. There's quite literally CCTV's watching CCTV's in the UK now, it seems to be the "universal panacea" (i.e. it's cheap). What disturbs me more is that AI and software automation is pushing ahead at a very fast rate (and is even cheaper still) and massive linkage is becoming standard, which can monitor in ways even a human on every monitor 24/7 cannot. Well the plan from what I hear is to facilitate the biometric image from the new passports into the cctv (feature recognition) software. This can technically be done already but there are legal issues with this...The software is ready though. It becomes a different thing if they can pinpoint who you are instantaneously.

There was demo's and sit ins (people sat in the square on their sofas) when the local Govt wanted to put up 4 cameras here. They only have them in the main train stations currently as far as I can see.

And informing the public of that isn't a bad thing imo. I agree. I was taken aback by those numbers.

Routine journeys carried out by millions of British motorists can be monitored by authorities in the United States and other enforcement agencies across the world under anti-terrorism rules introduced discreetly by Jacqui Smith. Government to quiz households on sex lives and salaries The discovery that images of cars captured on road-side cameras, and "personal data" derived from them, including number plates, can be sent overseas, has angered MPs and civil liberties groups concerned by the increasing use of "Big Brother" surveillance tactics. Images of private cars, as well as registration numbers, could be sent outside to countries such as the USA Yesterday, politicians and civil liberties groups accused the Home Secretary of keeping the plans to export pictures secret from Parliament when she announced last year that British anti-terrorism police could access "real time" images from cameras used in the running of London's congestion charge. A statement by Miss Smith to Parliament on July 17, 2007, detailing the exemptions for police from the 1998 Data Protection Act, did not mention other changes that would permit material to be sent outside the European Economic Area (EEA) to the authorities in the US and elsewhere. Shocking really. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../21/nspy121.xml

600 calories for a frapuccinno!!!!! OMG!!

NY restaurants made to count the calories Ed Pilkington in New York Monday April 21, 2008 The Guardian It was the first city in America to ban trans-fats from food outlets. Now New York has set another US first - from today, larger food chains such as McDonald's, Dunkin' Donuts and Starbucks must display the calories of their products on menus. The new rules apply to all chains with at least 15 outlets across the country - which in the case of New York accounts for 2,000 restaurants. The city authorities say the reform will help New Yorkers get a better sense of what they are eating as part of the ongoing battle against obesity and diabetes. Over the next five years, the city says, the labelling will help prevent 130,000 New Yorkers from becoming obese and 30,000 from developing diabetes. Some New York outlets had already begun to show calorie counts on their menu boards by the end of last week. At Chipotle, a Mexican food chain, in midtown Manhattan, chips were showing an alarming 570 calories, guacamole 140 and tacos with all the trimmings up to 590. Standing in the queue to pick up her food, Elissa was aware of the changes and was using the calorie guide to make her choice, mindful that she is trying to consume no more than 1,500 calories a day. The world is getting sadder by the day it seems...

Pat Butcher would be a good replacement for Geremi.

Very good interview. We need more than 2/3 tho Kev...Get away with 4/5 I reckon. Central midfield an absolute priority.

Gosh Owen avoiding the big question about his 'gut feeling' about staying like the minister of finance for Brazil.

OMUTHAFUKINGNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!

I'm making some using the recovery manager. Is there anything else I should do?

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One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. The U.S. has been training really evil and nasty 'freedom fighters' in camps in Panama for at least 3 decades to be let loose in various parts of South and Central America (more recently Afghanistan). In Iraq currently there are thousands of 'mercenaries' from all over the world getting paid by our side who have no legal standing to be fighting or taking part logistically in a war of any kind. Let's not start pretending some nutters from wherever caught in war zones who happen to be 'on the other side' is anything new or unique. What troubles me personally is where there is clear evidence of people who are our citizens taking part in scenarios against us. That is what we need to look at and get some consistency on how we deal with it. I agree it needs dealing with.

The Birmingham lot got off cause it was clear they were in Pakistan for a wedding as they maintained all along. Not sure if these are the same lads you're on about...? Aye there's some that were taken in Pakistan (and some poor bastards that were quite clearly completely erroneously taken in Pakistan - that taxi driver that was taken and held for 2 years for example ), but a significant proportion held there were taken in Afghanistan in combat or in areas where they could be little else other than enemy combatants. So there's quite a few (perhaps the majority) in Guantanamo that pretty much were either active Islamic fighters or training to be, and I must admit I don't really see a way for the USA to morally contain those people (they are effectively POWs, but in war that cannot be won, so you can't just hold them until after the war al la WW2 etc., because it may be 30 year before there is no chance they will return to the fight, yet there is likely not enough evidence to convict them legally either. Huge catch 22 which just causes all sorts of problems no matter what). Certainly the Tipton lot from the UK were there in Afghanistan (the had no links to Afghanistan or other reason to be there) to train in the terror camps there, as their admittance to visiting one and refusing to take lie detectors tests about their intent clearly shows (logically if not legally, anyway). But the UK Government will probably end up paying them off anyway. Which is one of the problems when talking about Guantanamo, there were/are massive miscarriages of justice there, issues of human rights and torture, but also quite a lot of genuinely nasty and quite murderous people. The thing I'll never understand is you have supposedly peaceful people quite willing to apologise for the kidnapping and live, filmed beheading of a completely innocent civil engineer, yet many of those same people equally seem to think everyone in Guantanamo is utterly innocent......... when in reality many in there might well have been the people beheading innocents if they'd not been put in there. Somewhere like China wouldn't have had the USA's problem though, they'd just have shot them all immediately, or taken them off somewhere unknown, interrogated them and then shot them. is the correct answer We either respect international law or we don't. I don't really mind if we don't but lets just make it clear to everyone and not hide behind rubbish like 'enemy combatants' etc.(This will make us no better than them). As with all scenarios involving high pressure and life and death situations mistakes are going to happen I'd prefer it if when these issues are highlighted the Govt. take some responsibility as in some scenarios we are dealing with our own citizens. Belmarsh is being investigated by the EU and has already been declared illegal (holding without charge over long periods). Ultimately we will win this war with hearts and minds and to those watching lets show some clear blue water and if we are on the side of righteousness lets act like it, cause in every instance we can show fair play we give 'them' less chance to recruit.

The Birmingham lot got off cause it was clear they were in Pakistan for a wedding as they maintained all along. Not sure if these are the same lads you're on about...?

Sure this is correct, my Irish mate ended up not going to the US as he had an old style passport. Not sure tbh but i remember them changing the rules a couple of years ago and i had just had mine renewed so i was alright. It has to have a barcode swipe thing on or they wont let you on the plane. Wait and see i guess. I wonder if he'll have web access at Gauantanamo.

Yeah it's a strange one this...Pretty much can abduct and 'interrogate' anyone on the planet and keep it secret.

She looks scatty as fuck.

Guantanamo Britons to sue MI5 over ‘illegal interrogation’ The eight men were detained in Afghanistan and Pakistan at various times Fiona Hamilton The three men from Tipton launched a lawsuit against the American authorities two years ago, alleging they were mistreated during their time in captivity. The US Court of Appeal dismissed their action earlier this year but they are appealing to the Supreme Court. Eight men freed from Guantanamo Bay are suing the British Government for millions of pounds, claiming that it was complicit in the process in which they were detained and sent for interrogation at the detention camp. The group have issued writs against MI5 and MI6 and said that the British authorities had knowledge of their illegal abduction, treatment and interrogation. The eight men were detained in Afghanistan and Pakistan at various times. It is understood that they claim that the British authorities were aware that they would be removed to Guantanamo but nonetheless continued to co-operate with the Americans. The Daily Mail last night reported that two separate writs had been lodged by the group, with five Britons and three foreign citizens naming “The Security Services”, “The Secret Intelligence Agency” and “The Attorney-General” as defendants. 'I told FBI about ringleader before 7/7 bombings' No extradition for Guantanamo two The first writ was issued at the High Court in London by lawyers acting for Omar Deghayes, a Libyan, Jamil el-Banna, a Jordanian — both released last December — and Bisher al-Rawi, an Iraqi, released this year. All three men live in Britain but are foreign nationals. The second names five Britons as claimants: Moazzam Begg, released in 2005, Richard Belmar, and the so-called “Tipton Three” — Ruhal Ahmed, Shafiq Rasul and Asif Iqbal. All were released in previous years. The newspaper reported that one of the eight men claimed that the group were put on CIA “torture flights” to the prison camp in Cuba. The Government has faced calls recently to order an independent inquiry into the process, known as “extraordinary rendition”, in which terrorism suspects are sent for interrogation in states where they have no legal protection." Similar legal battle going on in Germany with regard to innocent bloke picked up on holiday can't remember the details.... I didn't think you could sue Mi5 as such..

e-werk will be logging on from Mexico next after his latest attempt to enter the land of freedom is thwarted by a low tech passport.

Aye, it's not like she's ever been involved in a high profile case involving muslims. I honestly can't remember anything concerning CB you'll have to refresh my mind Halex.

You'd be surprised to know I don't actually give a shit what you do Rob. The trolley-dolley thing is a joke though. If that gets to you, all the better. One thing I think you are is someone who can't resist pretending to know stuff about things which you clearly have very little knowledge of (google to the rescue, no doubt). That's not to say you aren't a knowledgeable, well-travelled person which you seem to be, in fairness I shall put that on my tombstone I never thought you did give a monkeys about what I do - 'twas manc mag who started it off In all fairness all those years in prison did enable me to spend more time reading than has been available to the rest of you .............