Park Life

is correct. Pulp fiction is the only one I can watch again.

Thread title is an ideal Morrissey single methinks.

He's got a unique broadcasting style you mean? Feel sorry for him. Why has he been sacked though? 3 complaints? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7385370.stm although it's slightly weird they'll only suspend you for this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6955065.stm I reckon Gary Bushell probably is gay. He doth protest too much. And he looks like a bear. People with too much hair are not safe...

Ken's back in the fold (or was), and ironically probably lost as much from that in this election as he originally gained for not towing the line in that election. Correct. Not easily delineated by the casual observer however. You'll rejoin the debate for your little digs though eh? I'm fully aware Livingstone got back into the Labour party....entirely on his own terms though, it was only the slightly less embarrasing option for the party to coming fourth in the '04 election. There's no love lost. The bottom line is I don't actually give a fuck about James Whale, I was ranting a bit and loved the banter once we got going. No more to it really. You of all should know me by now. England has lost/losing too many things and apartchniks are taking over it seems. It saddens me. No really.

Ken's back in the fold (or was), and ironically probably lost as much from that in this election as he originally gained for not towing the line in that election. Correct. Not easily delineated by the casual observer however.

I think you'll find the gravity of the two issues are worlds apart. How so? You mean you failed to answer the valid point I made. I asked where YOU would draw the line? Who can radio presenters lobby on behalf of? Just the major parties? The Green Party? The more restrained nationalist parties like UKIP? Not bait, just debate. Ofcom judge every decision on the regulations, your fixation on the number of complaints received has no place in the argument. 44,000 complaints were made against big brother which was upheld, but no-one lost their job. Whale previously had a complaint to ofcom upheld after receiving a single complaint....from the person whose email address he read out without permission. He wasn't sacked though. Ofcom haven't even investigated this case yet, but knowing that a huge fine was on their way, Talksport have hung him out to dry on his own. If you really believe that Gordon Brown and Labour intervened to get rid of a bloke who was telling the odd joke about Ken Livingstone (a constant thorn in New Labour's side) your rampant paranoia knows no bounds. I'm all ranted out mate. Might come back to this later. Cheers.

Your facts so far is that he was sacked cause 3 people complained and it's aginst the ofcom rules. It is an independent station, and that is precisely my point. The BBC are so colourless a James Whale type wouldn't be tolerated. This debate isn't really about facts it is about a more abstract concept called Free Speech. There seems little of it around these days. Yes, so if it's an independent station how does his sacking off him stink of a conspiracy because he's anti-Labour (and thus anti-government) when the radio station aren't controlled by the government? If the station want to sack him, then that's their buisness. Oh, the debate isn't about facts is it, my apologies for pointing out the blinding obvious ones that undermine your conspiracy claptrap. You have pointed out nothing. Just regurgitated the official line of the sacking. If you consider that debating then I'm aghast. At no point have you dared to be discursive. I know what you're saying, I agree with what you're saying...But that ain't what this is.... All I'm saying is they've got him bang to rights, and as such can't complain that he's been sacked due to some pro-Labour conspiracy. If I shot Gordon Brown and was proved to have done it, I could hardly object to being sent to prison for it on the grounds that it was a government plot. Now you're rambling. No, I'm stating facts to which you have no answer. Well done.

I think you'll find the gravity of the two issues are worlds apart. Must try harder in your ludicrous attempts (yes I igonored the BNP baits as well) to set a fatous trap (in your mind). This is a ridiculous sacking by any stretch of the imagination, I could understand it if hundreds of people complained etc...But really this is storm in a teacup stuff. More people complain about the wrong latin names on flower show programs.

Your facts so far is that he was sacked cause 3 people complained and it's aginst the ofcom rules. It is an independent station, and that is precisely my point. The BBC are so colourless a James Whale type wouldn't be tolerated. This debate isn't really about facts it is about a more abstract concept called Free Speech. There seems little of it around these days. Yes, so if it's an independent station how does his sacking off him stink of a conspiracy because he's anti-Labour (and thus anti-government) when the radio station aren't controlled by the government? If the station want to sack him, then that's their buisness. Oh, the debate isn't about facts is it, my apologies for pointing out the blinding obvious ones that undermine your conspiracy claptrap. You have pointed out nothing. Just regurgitated the official line of the sacking. If you consider that debating then I'm aghast. At no point have you dared to be discursive. I know what you're saying, I agree with what you're saying...But that ain't what this is.... All I'm saying is they've got him bang to rights, and as such can't complain that he's been sacked due to some pro-Labour conspiracy. If I shot Gordon Brown and was proved to have done it, I could hardly object to being sent to prison for it on the grounds that it was a government plot. Now you're rambling.

Your facts so far is that he was sacked cause 3 people complained and it's aginst the ofcom rules. It is an independent station, and that is precisely my point. The BBC are so colourless a James Whale type wouldn't be tolerated. This debate isn't really about facts it is about a more abstract concept called Free Speech. There seems little of it around these days. Parky, You seem to be confusing free speech and the discussion of opposing views in a forum the public at large can access, with free speech for a miniscule population of tv and radio presenters. As a chairperson of a discussion, it should be James Whale's place to invite views from any side of an argument and stimulate the debate by playing devils advocate with each individual he talks to, without ever disclosing a personal point of view. In giving his own view, and arguing most vehemently for it he can only invite sycophantic agreement from one side and a harshly opposed disagreement from the other, where the presenter holds the position of power in being able to censor whatever dissenting voices do call in. What's the line between playing devils advocate/encouraging debate and making jokes about Livingstone? If in that mediation and that process of debate he crosses the line from time to time should he be sacked? Surely you can see this is a gross over-reaction and huge pressure must have been alligned against Kelvin Mckenzie and his boys to ditch Whale (a person who is completely at odds with my politics btw). If this was France there would be a white van protest across London by now halting trafffic and burning sheep or whatever... He hasn't been sacked for making jokes about Livingstone has he? He encouraged his listenership to vote Boris. If that's allowed, where would YOU draw the line? What if he'd urged listeners to vote BNP? What I want to know is at what fucking point James fuckhead Whale became a threat to the State. It's a joke surely you can see that?

Your facts so far is that he was sacked cause 3 people complained and it's aginst the ofcom rules. It is an independent station, and that is precisely my point. The BBC are so colourless a James Whale type wouldn't be tolerated. This debate isn't really about facts it is about a more abstract concept called Free Speech. There seems little of it around these days. Yes, so if it's an independent station how does his sacking off him stink of a conspiracy because he's anti-Labour (and thus anti-government) when the radio station aren't controlled by the government? If the station want to sack him, then that's their buisness. Oh, the debate isn't about facts is it, my apologies for pointing out the blinding obvious ones that undermine your conspiracy claptrap. You have pointed out nothing. Just regurgitated the official line of the sacking. If you consider that debating then I'm aghast. At no point have you dared to be discursive. I know what you're saying, I agree with what you're saying...But that ain't what this is.... How about this? "The BBC was banned last night from broadcasting fresh allegations in the cash for honours investigation. Lord Goldsmith, the attorney general, obtained an injunction to stop the BBC proceeding with a news story for the 10 O'Clock News after a two-hour hearing in chambers at the royal courts of justice in London." I'm really beginning to wonder where the lines of legitimacy are now. There is a sickness in the land mark my words.

Your facts so far is that he was sacked cause 3 people complained and it's aginst the ofcom rules. It is an independent station, and that is precisely my point. The BBC are so colourless a James Whale type wouldn't be tolerated. This debate isn't really about facts it is about a more abstract concept called Free Speech. There seems little of it around these days. Parky, You seem to be confusing free speech and the discussion of opposing views in a forum the public at large can access, with free speech for a miniscule population of tv and radio presenters. As a chairperson of a discussion, it should be James Whale's place to invite views from any side of an argument and stimulate the debate by playing devils advocate with each individual he talks to, without ever disclosing a personal point of view. In giving his own view, and arguing most vehemently for it he can only invite sycophantic agreement from one side and a harshly opposed disagreement from the other, where the presenter holds the position of power in being able to censor whatever dissenting voices do call in. What's the line between playing devils advocate/encouraging debate and making jokes about Livingstone? If in that mediation and that process of debate he crosses the line from time to time should he be sacked? Surely you can see this is a gross over-reaction and huge pressure must have been alligned against Kelvin Mckenzie and his boys to ditch Whale (a person who is completely at odds with my politics btw). If this was France there would be a white van protest across London by now halting trafffic and burning sheep or whatever...

3 fucking complaints. Probably one do-gooder rang up three times.

In all honesty Blair in his honeymoon period would have been hard pressed to talk away many of Brown's recent tax grabs (alcohol, income & road tax most notably) and other strange decisions (lecturing on not wasting food whilst dining on stuffed caviar, and most Government department throwing away vast amounts of food etc.). He almost seem like he's trying (political) suicide by cop or something. Brown has been left holding the bag.

Your facts so far is that he was sacked cause 3 people complained and it's aginst the ofcom rules. It is an independent station, and that is precisely my point. The BBC are so colourless a James Whale type wouldn't be tolerated. This debate isn't really about facts it is about a more abstract concept called Free Speech. There seems little of it around these days.

A right wing Thatcherite telling people to vote for the right wing Thatcherite candidate that went on to win the mayoral election. If you're worried about people swallowing whatever shit they hear, surely he's the kind of broadcaster you want less of. Or do you think he's going to find objectivity all of a sudden. I want any broadcaster that will energise political debate I care little about their political stance. There isn't enough political debate in England that encourages the public to get involved. Talk Radio or whatever and whoever the demographic and characters like James Whale IMO are something our country historically has tolerated and to an extent protected. I can't help but agree that my point is somewhat abstract and probably this is the wrong issue to braid with the wider political climate in England.

Ha ha... The right wing media have re-aligned with the right wing. The national press that is...Not really germane to this debate though apart from scoring a silly point. If you'd like to debate the media I'm ready.

I'm afraid I haven't commissioned any market research on the station recently. Read this though.... About sums it up. http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/music-radio-statio...k-sport/349119/ That's pretty bigoted and prejudice view to be fair, in these modern times. Brainwashed bollocks as usual. I guess in your world we aren't spending a £1m a day on a totally now pointless war (civil war) in Iraq. I guess Blair didn't turn a country £50 billion in the black to £20 odd billion into the red?? FACTS. Not conspiracies dear. 3 fucking complaints... I honestly thought they had left a 0 off. What the hell does any of that have to do with a broadcaster rightly being sacked for breaking one of radio's most important regulations? Your level of casual naivety is astounding. He made a few offhand remarks about Livinstone a man who has been in radio and the media for 25 years. A warning yes...Sacking him has to be agenda driven. It comes to something that a leftie like me is having to defend a Thatcharite like Whale. Madness. Yup, in the end it doesn't matter whose boot in standing on your face, the issue is that someone's boot is standing on your face. Let any belief system grow too powerful unopposed and amazingly you end up at exactly the same place, just by a different path. How have so many people swallowed so much shit in so little time? [famousquoteripoff/] Yeah, the way to stop people being eating shit from supporters of those in power is to keep the man on air who supported the man currently in power. He's a right wing Thatcherite. You're not making sense.

I'm afraid I haven't commissioned any market research on the station recently. Read this though.... About sums it up. http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/music-radio-statio...k-sport/349119/ That's pretty bigoted and prejudice view to be fair, in these modern times. Brainwashed bollocks as usual. I guess in your world we aren't spending a £1m a day on a totally now pointless war (civil war) in Iraq. I guess Blair didn't turn a country £50 billion in the black to £20 odd billion into the red?? FACTS. Not conspiracies dear. 3 fucking complaints... I honestly thought they had left a 0 off. What the hell does any of that have to do with a broadcaster rightly being sacked for breaking one of radio's most important regulations? Your level of casual naivety is astounding. He made a few offhand remarks about Livinstone a man who has been in radio and the media for 25 years. A warning yes...Sacking him has to be agenda driven. It comes to something that a leftie like me is having to defend a Thatcharite like Whale. Madness. Yup, in the end it doesn't matter whose boot in standing on your face, the issue is that someone's boot is standing on your face. Let any belief system grow too powerful unopposed and amazingly you end up at exactly the same place, just by a different path. How have so many people swallowed so much shit in so little time? [famousquoteripoff/]

I'm afraid I haven't commissioned any market research on the station recently. Read this though.... About sums it up. http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/music-radio-statio...k-sport/349119/ You look down on normal working class people. A round of applause surely.

Brainwashed bollocks as usual. I guess in your world we aren't spending a £1m a day on a totally now pointless war (civil war) in Iraq. I guess Blair didn't turn a country £50 billion in the black to £20 odd billion into the red?? FACTS. Not conspiracies dear. 3 fucking complaints... I honestly thought they had left a 0 off. What the hell does any of that have to do with a broadcaster rightly being sacked for breaking one of radio's most important regulations? Your level of casual naivety is astounding. He made a few offhand remarks about Livinstone a man who has been in radio and the media for 25 years. A warning yes...Sacking him has to be agenda driven. It comes to something that a leftie like me is having to defend a Thatcharite like Whale. Madness.

Brainwashed bollocks as usual. I guess in your world we aren't spending a £1m a day on a totally now pointless war (civil war) in Iraq. I guess Blair didn't turn a country £50 billion in the black to £20 odd billion into the red?? FACTS. Not conspiracies dear. 3 fucking complaints... I honestly thought they had left a 0 off.

I know full well why he was sacked and it's nothing to do with a few jokes about Livingstone that merited a might 3 fucking complaints. He was sacked because big media/the powers that be don't like his opinions and have been watching him ever since he called Tony Blair a liar in a national newspaper. He is also against the Iraq war and has talked about that a number of times in the media and on radio. I take your points about the regulators however and these 'draconian' laws need changing. We need to keep as many 'colourful and debate making' people Evans was very good for for a while as well. What do we have left Danny Baker????

He's got a unique broadcasting style you mean? Feel sorry for him. Why has he been sacked though? 3 complaints? Probably sacked for expressing political views (a big no no) rather than the complaints. Political views have a long history in radio. And long may it continue. So can no one have a radio show with political and biased content? That's fucking crazy. 3 talkradio shows in the whole U.K.??? Guests can have political views. Callers can have political views. But when a host uses a show as a platform to sway an election, I like that the station will take action. If only Rush Limbaugh could be sacked for forcing his views on the listenership. The lack of deabte in the U.K. is getting seriously worrying. A colourful renegade talk show host is part of radio history. This sacking stinks it stinks of censorship. It stinks of little balding men with thin ties sitting in rooms with French mineral water deciding what's good for us. Fuck that. As far as I can see there is one independant paper in the whole country: The Guardian (a charity). The rest are owned by media tycoons and nutters. Airtime is filled with swathes of horse shit and game shows and american cutesy comedies. There is fucking war on...Reems of stealth legislation is all around us..Fuck that...Arm the people. I don't get your point. Surely he was sacked for compromising the independence of Talksport. For the station to remain independent they can't have employees telling you to vote Conservative. Now Boris is in, Whale isn't anti-establishment, and he can't be because he's already expressed his preference for the establishment. Aye it was so compromising they got 3 complaints. Because no-one with an ounce of sense listens to Talksport. No-one at a BNP meeting complains about the underlying racism. Show me the demographic then?

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