Park Life

I think you can even respect someone like Keane, even as Sunderland manager but Wise, as you say, is one of those people who you can't put aside your grievances with. Even if you can with him, he probably won't with you. I see nothing but more managers gone, unless they are effectively just Wise puppets. Apparently Vinne Jones is taking over as club ambassador.

I think you can even respect someone like Keane, even as Sunderland manager but Wise, as you say, is one of those people who you can't put aside your grievances with. Does he even have a track record to be calling the shots as he seems to be doing?

...Wise is running the fucking club. If Poyet comes, Wise will have full control.

Managers saying "no way" are building up too now (5+ at least). Bound to be Poyet man. Working for his mate.

I agree with this, I do think Everton will be next to go Well, Everton would cost less than us, but they don't have a ground like us and need a new one. Newcastle also have a massively superior brand name, for instance the one club city, Newcastle brown ale, and bigger support and at the moment anyway, they can appoint any manager they please. Fear is that someone good would come along and bid less than Ashley wants and they bugger off somewhere else, like Everton. Everton have won titles in the past, nine league titles they've won which is more than us and the mackems, Chelsea and Spurs. However, no one really classes them as a big club in the modern game. Their fanbase is very much on the decrease, 20 years ago, Everton had more fans on Merseyside than Liverpool, because of the fickle nature of new football fans, Liverpool seem to be garnering a lot of young fans in the area these days due to their success and big umph factor than Everton. They are dying as a club. If you look at realistically across the country, would you say Everton are in the top ten supporters in England? I certainly wouldn't. It's not like I'm stuck in the North East, when I'm working in London I see fans of every club, you come across so many toon fans in London, and I'm not just saying it, Fulham away there's as many southern accents in the toon end as geordie. Everton have a mediocre fanbase, and it's largely centred on Merseyside which is the most deprived area in Britain. Their most expensive tickets are THIRTY FOUR QUID, they have three executive boxes, they've just come fifth in the league and last week they had only 34,000 paying people there. Now if they put prices up to our level, which I believe are extortionate, I think they'd struggle to get 25,000. I know an Everton fan, and he agrees the prices are low because it's in a very deprived area of the country. Liverpool's match going support, 40% of them aren't from the area so they can cope overall with higher prices. I think of all of the clubs Everton would be the worst investment, you might get them for £150m less than us, but you'd have to build a new ground which would be full twice a season, and be stuck with a mediocre fanbase, and a club who the media just are not bothered about. It's true what people say about them, they're just plain old Everton. If I was an investor they'd be the last team I would buy. Now every point of listed there for Everton, is 100% different with Newcastle, in everything apart from their four extra trophies, they are incomparable to us even at this stage, and I think anyone that's been involved with Newcastle knows we have fulfilled not even half of our potential on and off the park. That is absolute poppycock and you know it. Liverpool do have a very large world wide fanbase but the majority of match going reds are from the L postcode area. The percentages are slightly more than Everton, but still pretty much in line in line with both clubs attendances. Why do you continue to make up things up, your lying is quite pathetic now? Out of the last 70 years Everton have only had a higher average than Liverpool 14 times. That’s 14 against 56. Yes, that's 70 years, not 20, you stupid numbnuts. They don’t come much more hypocritical than you. One minute you tell everyone that Newcastle is supported by 99% Newcastle people, and here you are getting quite horny about having so many Southern speaking Toon fans. A football club is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and Everton have a lot going for it in terms of a buyer coming in. They have a world wide fanbase, not nearly as big as Liverpool and Man U, but big enough. They have two sites offered by the city council for a new ground and they have a great history and tradition. A new ground would see any investor, willing to wait a few years, gaining a good return on their money. Building a new ground where there is almost guaranteed planning permission is very attractive to big money investors. I admit that being in the same city as Englands most decorated club is a bit of a drawback for investors, but not to very rich Arabs as it can be overcome, much as we did to Everton when Shanks built his dynasty. Liverpool will cost around a billion for Dubai if their deal ever comes off and they build the new ground, that must make you feel really sick. If you wrote your little piece as some kind of wind up, I'm afraid you've failed, it just comes across as your usual lying bollicks and blind belief that Newcastle is the biggest club in the world. Try and learn from Park Life, he's an excellent WUM because he does it with humour and intelligence.

Don't you think he could have either said something earlier or at least left at a better time? Well he sort of tried after the Chelsea game and was whipped off to London for a telling off. I can see totally where KK was coming from and I don't really care what players he was asking for, you either compete in the PL or you go backwards and then down. IMO he waited till the window to see if they had signed any good players. For me he had little idea what was occurring and it might even have taken him time to realise the true nature of MA.

Had a vote in favour of KK didn't they? Ultimately if the supporters don't co-operate or withhold monies for various things the business starts to fail. He'll get out while he can still get a decent price.

Disaster written all over it if true.

Moral and injuries are the problems. I wouldn't want to guess it after this last week. We simply have to stay up this year.

Godzilla.

I agree with this, I do think Everton will be next to go Well, Everton would cost less than us, but they don't have a ground like us and need a new one. Newcastle also have a massively superior brand name, for instance the one club city, Newcastle brown ale, and bigger support and at the moment anyway, they can appoint any manager they please. Fear is that someone good would come along and bid less than Ashley wants and they bugger off somewhere else, like Everton. Everton have won titles in the past, nine league titles they've won which is more than us and the mackems, Chelsea and Spurs. However, no one really classes them as a big club in the modern game. Their fanbase is very much on the decrease, 20 years ago, Everton had more fans on Merseyside than Liverpool, because of the fickle nature of new football fans, Liverpool seem to be garnering a lot of young fans in the area these days due to their success and big umph factor than Everton. They are dying as a club. If you look at realistically across the country, would you say Everton are in the top ten supporters in England? I certainly wouldn't. It's not like I'm stuck in the North East, when I'm working in London I see fans of every club, you come across so many toon fans in London, and I'm not just saying it, Fulham away there's as many southern accents in the toon end as geordie. Everton have a mediocre fanbase, and it's largely centred on Merseyside which is the most deprived area in Britain. Their most expensive tickets are THIRTY FOUR QUID, they have three executive boxes, they've just come fifth in the league and last week they had only 34,000 paying people there. Now if they put prices up to our level, which I believe are extortionate, I think they'd struggle to get 25,000. I know an Everton fan, and he agrees the prices are low because it's in a very deprived area of the country. Liverpool's match going support, 40% of them aren't from the area so they can cope overall with higher prices. I think of all of the clubs Everton would be the worst investment, you might get them for £150m less than us, but you'd have to build a new ground which would be full twice a season, and be stuck with a mediocre fanbase, and a club who the media just are not bothered about. It's true what people say about them, they're just plain old Everton. If I was an investor they'd be the last team I would buy. Now every point of listed there for Everton, is 100% different with Newcastle, in everything apart from their four extra trophies, they are incomparable to us even at this stage, and I think anyone that's been involved with Newcastle knows we have fulfilled not even half of our potential on and off the park. It's much harder for teams with other large teams in a city to become a global brand. Infact Man City will be a test case. I agree but there's something about City which makes them more attractive than Everton. Nuff said.

The ground (the land) is owned by the council. The brand is nothing without supporters and the identity that comes with that. The players are transitory no one owns them ultimately. What a waste of £200M that was then. Is he supposed to be a businessman? The guys a loser, who in their right mind invests in football?!1

The ground (the land) is owned by the council. The brand is nothing without supporters and the identity that comes with that. The players are transitory no one owns them ultimately.

I agree with this, I do think Everton will be next to go Well, Everton would cost less than us, but they don't have a ground like us and need a new one. Newcastle also have a massively superior brand name, for instance the one club city, Newcastle brown ale, and bigger support and at the moment anyway, they can appoint any manager they please. Fear is that someone good would come along and bid less than Ashley wants and they bugger off somewhere else, like Everton. Everton have won titles in the past, nine league titles they've won which is more than us and the mackems, Chelsea and Spurs. However, no one really classes them as a big club in the modern game. Their fanbase is very much on the decrease, 20 years ago, Everton had more fans on Merseyside than Liverpool, because of the fickle nature of new football fans, Liverpool seem to be garnering a lot of young fans in the area these days due to their success and big umph factor than Everton. They are dying as a club. If you look at realistically across the country, would you say Everton are in the top ten supporters in England? I certainly wouldn't. It's not like I'm stuck in the North East, when I'm working in London I see fans of every club, you come across so many toon fans in London, and I'm not just saying it, Fulham away there's as many southern accents in the toon end as geordie. Everton have a mediocre fanbase, and it's largely centred on Merseyside which is the most deprived area in Britain. Their most expensive tickets are THIRTY FOUR QUID, they have three executive boxes, they've just come fifth in the league and last week they had only 34,000 paying people there. Now if they put prices up to our level, which I believe are extortionate, I think they'd struggle to get 25,000. I know an Everton fan, and he agrees the prices are low because it's in a very deprived area of the country. Liverpool's match going support, 40% of them aren't from the area so they can cope overall with higher prices. I think of all of the clubs Everton would be the worst investment, you might get them for £150m less than us, but you'd have to build a new ground which would be full twice a season, and be stuck with a mediocre fanbase, and a club who the media just are not bothered about. It's true what people say about them, they're just plain old Everton. If I was an investor they'd be the last team I would buy. Now every point of listed there for Everton, is 100% different with Newcastle, in everything apart from their four extra trophies, they are incomparable to us even at this stage, and I think anyone that's been involved with Newcastle knows we have fulfilled not even half of our potential on and off the park. It's much harder for teams with other large teams in a city to become a global brand. Infact Man City will be a test case.

Yeah, we have a £12 million budget for transfers, and we'll spend £5.7 on someone who isn't even going to be a first team player!

People may own 'the business' but they can never own the club. That is ours and always will be.

By Christmas (or 3 consecutive wins) Keegan will have been justly booted by St. Wise. Doubt it we'll be near the bottom barring a miracle next appointment.

Only the good people will survive the bad one's will get turfed out as we are about to witness. Maybe it could actually be worse under this Indian or the Abu Dhabi lot. Ashleys worth 1.4billion or so, a sustained period of boycott, bad press etc could actually affect his business and make it worth his while to get out. Imagine if Fat Ash had 25billion, he could easily just cast us aside without giving a fuck of the consequences. At this time I'm willing to take that risk... though I can't see anyone buying us out any time soon, face it we're the plaything of Fat Cunt and his London goblins now. I predict they will be gone by the end of Jan.

Only the good people will survive the bad one's will get turfed out as we are about to witness. Maybe it could actually be worse under this Indian or the Abu Dhabi lot. Ashleys worth 1.4billion or so, a sustained period of boycott, bad press etc could actually affect his business and make it worth his while to get out. Imagine if Fat Ash had 25billion, he could easily just cast us aside without giving a fuck of the consequences. Wouldn't reflect very well on the rest of his business life though and as we all know these days it is really all about confidece and branding. Once people stop believing in Sports direct it becomes another Joe Bloggs jeans or whatever they were called. A man or an owner can't destroy a club like Newcastle cause it is an idea and a sense of belonging that will outlive all our future owners. I see the MA episode where we as supporters are through the experinece developing and becoming stronger and have further entrenched what the club means to us. This episode will make us stronger and in return the club.

Aye, but the debt being paid off tells you the money owed on players isn't the handicap they'd have us believe. It's just something to bash the old regime with and use as an excuse for not spending much at all in net terms. I know you weren't sticking up for the board here btw. I still maintain it's the personnel creating the problem here and not the structure though. Well I'm not sure about Keegan's relationship with Wise - I really have no idea. However I think Kevin is right in saying that the manager should be 100% in charge - It scares the living shit out of me that Dennis Wise has more influence than the tea lady at this club - never mind the fucking manager. I agree with Alex that the structure can work. The one thing that i read this weekend that struck me as interesting was Keegan's alleged list 'pie in the sky' transfer targets. If KK was in sole charge of player recruuitment, after three years of soccer circus, I'm really not sure whether he would have had the knowledge of who we could realistically hope to bring in to the club. Would he for instance have brought Modric across, he definitely wouldn't have known anything about Guttierez/Bassong. To be quite honest KK and his 'helpers' had a good 8 months to identify targets. Players (one or two from KK's list and 3/4 from the others) should have been unveiled in early Aug.

Scrap the holiday and give the money to TF.

Only the good people will survive the bad one's will get turfed out as we are about to witness.

I said somewhere, after a while people will start blaming KK.

tbf Adam I think KK hung around to the end of the transfer window to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think they club never sacked him because I think they actually believed he was going to conform to their ridiculous scam. FYP.