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Get someone on for fucks sake - break it up a bit. Wake the fuck up Kinnear!!!

Looking at the BBC thing we'll know by Ohio. Obama.

I'll just stand there with a bottle of Krusovice at Xmas then and hand any guests cans of Skol Job done.

A good guide to poll closing times is here: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/10/15/173426/57 If the public polls are right, you will all know by 12.30am - 1.00am UK time because if Obama wins Indiana, Virginia and/or Georgia then that will be the sign that it is a landslide. Realistically, you will know well before that because unofficial exit polling and turnout figures will probably indicate the size of Obama's national lead in the late afternoon, 10pm-ish UK time.

We're up against 1970's Brazil according to the kids board

If we kick Barry in the cunt early on we'll be alright.

Given how instrumental Afghanistan was in the US plan to bankrupt the Soviet Union, I'd have tried the best I could to steer well clear. So you'd have just left the Taliban in charge and allowed them to continue training ad infinitum then? Or would you have just nuked Afghanistan to a glass wasteland? (this is exactly what I mean by Obama probably not being able to sort things out tbh) Insofar as no one ever can? Agreed. Agreed. After all war and tribal conflict is a way of life and money making. ...but enough about America.

Rob W will be all over this. His radar must be twitching.

Don't want to alarm anyone but I have this down as a win.

Given how instrumental Afghanistan was in the US plan to bankrupt the Soviet Union, I'd have tried the best I could to steer well clear. So you'd have just left the Taliban in charge and allowed them to continue training ad infinitum then? Or would you have just nuked Afghanistan to a glass wasteland? (this is exactly what I mean by Obama probably not being able to sort things out tbh) Insofar as no one ever can? Agreed. Agreed. After all war and tribal conflict is a way of life and money making.

Living on the edge with your predictions as ever. I imagine most thinking Americans are just delighted at the prospect of having an articulate and intelligent man in charge of their country again. (Even if he's not "really" in charge - and hopefully he'll be intelligent enough not to be. After all, even Dubya knows the value of having a strong team around you.) And following his successful candidature, it's only natural that the sheer relief has snowballed into a degree of hyperbole over time. That said, Obama has taken a real chance with his fairly low-key, Kerry-esque campaign - relying on McCain screwing up enough (which I think he may have done, even if I'll lose a whole ten pounds at Paddy Power if he loses) to outweigh the obvious disadvantages of the way he's played things. If everything goes to the formbook tomorrow then Obama will win fairly comfortably, but the combination of voting scams and what I suppose we'd know as the "Shy Tory Factor" inevitably loom on the horizon. And there's still 24 hours or so for a new Bin Laden tape to materialise. Aye, but you're still assuming he's not going to make some royal mess, or in fact that he's going to be able to sort out current messes (withdrawing from either Iraq or Afghanistan may well result in more long term problems than staying, but equally staying is obviously no bed of roses). Take Clinton, he made some mistakes (mostly inaction, which is always more deniable ), but broadly didn't have anything too directly terrible to deal with (except Hilary - who frankly has already been the first female President of the USA IMO). How would he have reacted to 9/11? No one, including himself I suspect, has a clue. But Obama is definitely been seen as some White (or Black - which is ironic in itself given his actual genetic make up) Knight riding to the rescue to bring peace to the kingdom. The WTC was attacked on Clinton's watch too you know? Yes, with a slightly different outcome however. Aye, the perpetrators were treated as the criminals they are, rounded up, given a fair trial and sentenced to life imprisonment. That kind of inaction is dangerous like, the President needs to be a doer like Bush who can blame the concept of terror for such an attack and create perpetual war from that notion. Nice little earner. Also a slightly fewer towers were destroyed and slightly fewer people were killed. (also are you saying Afghanistan should have been left how it was? ) I seriously think we need to look at Pakistan, especially the border areas. One of the highest amount of 'madrassa' money from SA is going to Pakistan. The Govt is shaky and these actually do have nukes (mad mullahs in the wings).

I am a bit bemused by the seemingly overriding belief that Obama is the second coming though, that he will heal all things, solve all conflicts and generally bring peace and joy to the world. I suspect he won't. It is written. He is here and on time.

He was still trying to play the system I guess, and at that point I'm sure he was still being promised to keep Milner, and still get 3-4 quality players in................ and not for them to try and sell Owen and Barton out from under him too. But again where does he "lie"? It also makes the "oooo Keegan did something wrong" rubbish even more laughable, because clearly whatever background issues he had, he was still committed to make the club a success. That's just legal issues, with the best will in the world I wouldn't expect anyone to speak about stuff with the lawyers circling like vultures. You'll have to wait till after that side is sorted before anything like that happens. I find it hard to believe that Keegan had no reservations at the point where he gave that interview, yet he says nothing. All he can say is how great the new players are. I believe he shares some responsibility for allowing season ticket holders to believe they were buying into a glorious new future as he was still pedaling the "everything's rosey" line. You can't have it both ways with the wall of silence. Either you accept that Ashley can't speak either or you have to criticise Keegan too. If he was doing that (which I don't think he was) he wasn't very good at it going off the ST sales, was he? Keegan was reticent about the future of the club imo which put people off Ashley's buy 3 years or face a massive price hike idea. A lot of people just decided 'fuck it'. As for the last bit, I agree. It's fair to say neither side can really comment on what happened if legal proceedings are in place. But I don't think the club have been silent. The owner has in the main. Although the one big interview he did was, it transpires, a pack of lies. But the club has had plenty to say, anonymously or via Kinnear, about who is going to buy the club (more lies), the 'It is a fact' rubbish, Keegan's return being imminent with new owners (funny how that never happened), etc., etc. A lot of what has come out post-this debacle contradicts what came out of the club before. That's why I'm tending towards Ashley and his cronies being the real problem. I appreciate what you've being saying about Keegan leaving us in a mess, especially with the timing etc. btw. Although I think he must have felt he'd been really stitched-up and felt he had little option. Wenger and Ferguson agreed with him too. Anyone basically who understands anything about football knows KK's position had become untenable. People slingling mud at KK ought to take into account that it would actually have been far easier for him to stay picking up his £100k a month than look for confrontation.

He was still trying to play the system I guess, and at that point I'm sure he was still being promised to keep Milner, and still get 3-4 quality players in................ and not for them to try and sell Owen and Barton out from under him too. But again where does he "lie"? It also makes the "oooo Keegan did something wrong" rubbish even more laughable, because clearly whatever background issues he had, he was still committed to make the club a success. That's just legal issues, with the best will in the world I wouldn't expect anyone to speak about stuff with the lawyers circling like vultures. You'll have to wait till after that side is sorted before anything like that happens. Wasn't KK told Schweinstieger had been signed to oil the Milner move and remove his reservations?

Plenty of managers have said no to players. Either because they weren't needed or weren't good enough. Keegan didn't have the chance to say no to Xisco and Nacho. Players he didn't want. He wanted Warnock, and he wanted Malouda, and he wanted Lassana Diarra. That is of course allegedly, but it makes sense regarding to where the squad is weak. The club tried to sell Barton to Portsmouth, and Keegan didn't want it, since he said he would support Barton, and the squad was thin allready. Furthermore, Barton texted Sky Sports to say, he didn't wanna leave Newcastle, so that is basically cut and dry. I don't think Keegan said yes to work within this policy that was only maked clear, after Keegan left, and Ashley poured his heart out. Newcastle publicised on their own website, that they would back keegan in the coming transfer window. That he would have a kitty available. That proved not to be right. He didn't oppose it either, 'cause it would be a sensible thing to do. Get young players in on the cheap, that are players for the future. But you still have to maintain the current squad, or the future might look bleak. Keegan said that, the club appeared to agree, but it didn't happen. Regarding putting a sensible wage structure in place, you say it yourself. Long-term! It wasn't that hard to put in place. Don't be an idiot when discussing wages with players. Don't offer them retarded amount of money. But you still have to pay the players, that are allready on contract, eventhough they are dead wood. But you can still sign good player, without paying them the same wages as Owen, Viduka and Smith. Reducing the wage bill should have been done over time. Not in one window. At the end of the days, this is just a case of conection the dots. Look in the news archive on the official club website, and you'll see the club contradicting it self. I'm not making Keegan out to be a saint. Maybe we all would have been better of, if he had decided to stay, and fight it from within the club. But it would never had been a fair battle, trying to win games, with players you didn't sign, and also with Llambas wanting to smack you. There are so much evidence, that points out that the club has contradicted itself. So no matter what Keegan did, the club has also lied to supporters of Newcastle. People have been mislead, and now they're being feed bullshit stories, through a middleman. So I get what you are saying. People are quick to back Keegan, but it's more than that. They dismiss what the club has done. But thanks for a well thought reply, Danny Well summed up.

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The club is worth x3 turnover. About £240 million. If he asked that and the markets were normal he would have sold by now.

There isn't a telescope powerful enough. magnification is not good enough What happened to the images from the Japanese fly by last year?

Does he coach between interviews?

I find Levy fairly honest comparared to our lot. And Ramos was Comolli's mistake.

Wyk?

He will win and he won't be killed.