Park Life

I used the phrase real world to mean the one existing outside your 6th form-style ramblings about 'free' healthcare. Whatever that means. Most basic healthcare in the U.K is free at point of need if you fill the right forms in.... I think Alex's point is, all healthcare is paid for, whether by the government or the consumer. ie the people.

Well the FACTs are the demographics of the western world are ageing at a time when ever more expensive health technologies are becoming available. The FACTs are there is only a finite amount of money in the pot and somehow this has to be distributed, hopefully as fairly as possible. The FACT is people who deny this and still believe in a universal health care system which can treat everybody for everything are not living in the real world. People who think there isn't enough cash need to step back and consider why private sector opportunism is so keen on nationalized institutions. They also perhaps might read George Soros treatise on the money supply.

I used the phrase real world to mean the one existing outside your 6th form-style ramblings about 'free' healthcare. Whatever that means. Most basic healthcare in the U.K is free at point of need if you fill the right forms in....

Yeah but the Secretary of State for Health and Joseph Stiglitz are on mine. "Yates and Keats are on mine:.

The funniest thing for me in these debates is when people start banging on about 'the real world'...Apparently the domain of multi-nationals and blue chip outfits...Of course it is from the ranks of these 'big companies' (the holders of truth) that huge collapses occur year after year and people see they had no clue what they were doing. In America and Europe half these companies are at the door of bankruptcy or held up by subsidies or state bail outs. They are wildly inefficient and neoptistic and are the worst when it comes to innovation (unless they are stealing ideas from smaller companies). FACT.

Lentini has to be in or this is all bollocks.

It's rare that HF/Parky/Fop are on the same side...So we must be right.

Kleber.

Fop believes that the economy, social welfare, GDP have some sort of impact on the ability of an economy to introduce private resource allocation mechanisms into healthcare, without explaining the macro- or more importantly micro-economic dynamics that support this. I've highlighted nobel prize winning economists that have outlined the key factors in determining how this all works. Thats the authority i would use in a debate with someone uninformed. How i earn my salary is irrelevant. Its thanks to Parky that it has become an issue as he pointed it out in this thread. I find the notion that i would post something on a football forum that merely reflected the commercial interests of my employers offensive, stupid, crass and pathetic. In that order too. Perhaps we need a 'Conflict of interest' disclaimer on Toontastic so people like you can be barred from these types of threads, you evil-pharma bastard. I think you got the order wrong mind, pathetic would be at the start of my list. True but i'm offended by Parky/fop/Happy Face's insinuation that i'm incapable of independent thought and the frankly absurd notion that i'd spend my time on here posting some sort of 'party line' on this debate. If you step back and think about it, its a really fucking stupid perspective to have regarding an online debate on toontastic. As it happens, I've come across several forums (usually patient ones) where anyone who comes up with some EBM type comments (usually eminently sensible) has been labelled a 'pharma troll'. You'd expect different on toontastic like, still sure HF and Parky didn't mean offence and merely used it as a desperate tactic to downplay your posts. Fop can't even comment without stating what he does imo. Of course I didn't and Chesney knows that.

Fop believes that the economy, social welfare, GDP have some sort of impact on the ability of an economy to introduce private resource allocation mechanisms into healthcare, without explaining the macro- or more importantly micro-economic dynamics that support this. I've highlighted nobel prize winning economists that have outlined the key factors in determining how this all works. Thats the authority i would use in a debate with someone uninformed. How i earn my salary is irrelevant. Its thanks to Parky that it has become an issue as he pointed it out in this thread. I find the notion that i would post something on a football forum that merely reflected the commercial interests of my employers offensive, stupid, crass and pathetic. In that order too. Perhaps we need a 'Conflict of interest' disclaimer on Toontastic so people like you can be barred from these types of threads, you evil-pharma bastard. I think you got the order wrong mind, pathetic would be at the start of my list. True but i'm offended by Parky/fop/Happy Face's insinuation that i'm incapable of independent thought and the frankly absurd notion that i'd spend my time on here posting some sort of 'party line' on this debate. If you step back and think about it, its a really fucking stupid perspective to have regarding an online debate on toontastic. Yeah we're not worthy.

Fop believes that the economy, social welfare, GDP have some sort of impact on the ability of an economy to introduce private resource allocation mechanisms into healthcare, without explaining the macro- or more importantly micro-economic dynamics that support this. I've highlighted nobel prize winning economists that have outlined the key factors in determining how this all works. Thats the authority i would use in a debate with someone uninformed. How i earn my salary is irrelevant. Its thanks to Parky that it has become an issue as he pointed it out in this thread. I find the notion that i would post something on a football forum that merely reflected the commercial interests of my employers offensive, stupid, crass and pathetic. In that order too. Perhaps we need a 'Conflict of interest' disclaimer on Toontastic so people like you can be barred from these types of threads, you evil-pharma bastard. I think you got the order wrong mind, pathetic would be at the start of my list. True but i'm offended by Parky/fop/Happy Face's insinuation that i'm incapable of independent thought and the frankly absurd notion that i'd spend my time on here posting some sort of 'party line' on this debate. If you step back and think about it, its a really fucking stupid perspective to have regarding an online debate on toontastic. Tbf to me I never insinuated any such thing, I was just advising the general reader that perhaps you know what you're talking about and are in a position to frame the debate from a position of knowledge. Is all.

I'm gonna give Meenzer a couple of books for you. Cheers mate. Got loads to read but always on the lookout for more. I'll lokk forward to getting them. I think you'd like any of the above but the Fante stuff is highly recommended. Did you ever read any of those novels (The Bandini Quartet) by John Fante I was on about? Brilliant writer. Should be mentioned in the same breath as people like Hemingway. Also read 'The Stars my Destination' recently by Alfred Bester. Very good (and I know you like a bit of sci-fi). Fante is on 'the list' and has been since you mentioned it a year ago... Just gave away 'Hollywood' by Bukowski (his funniest by far) and this... http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue308/books2.html ...which I know you'd love. 'The Stars my destination' should be good if you're other recc's are anything to go by. Barry Gifford - I didn't know that. Reading is stopping me from writing.

I'm gonna give Meenzer a couple of books for you.

Sounds nice but is essentially meaningless in the real world. Absolutely nothing of this nature is 'free', nor can it be.

Basically I have to hide the fact that me and Parky Jnr have been in McDonalds from Mrs P.

Basically if society has come anywhere (it hasn't) then healthcare should be free. End of story.

Stating the obvious tbf. It's good to have some core to a debate ie Chez's well founded knowledge of the drugs industry or HP on IT or whatever....But after that let's throw the plates at the wall yeah...

I'm more interested in the wild ramblings of nutters than informed opionion. Don't really give a shit who works for who....

Sidwell. Had a massive value and was said to be a in contention for England.

St Pauli. Need to get straight back up. Lying 7th...5 points behind Mainz. The weirdest thing is celebrating goals to the intro of this...

Sidwell. Hardly played a game for 3 years and still not starting at Villa.

Didn't Ali appear on Liston's doorstep in the middle of the night with his entourage carrying a bear collar ? I think Liston and most of the media thought Ali (Clay at the time) was just a nutter rather than being malicious.