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Stevie in caveman shocka!

"More than seven in 10 voters insist that they would not be willing to pay higher taxes in order to fund projects to combat climate change, according to a new poll. The survey also reveals that most Britons believe "green" taxes on 4x4s, plastic bags and other consumer goods have been imposed to raise cash rather than change our behaviour, while two-thirds of Britons think the entire green agenda has been hijacked as a ploy to increase taxes. The findings make depressing reading for green campaigners, who have spent recent months urging the Government to take far more radical action to reduce Britain's carbon footprint. The UK is committed to reducing carbon emissions by 60 per cent by 2050, a target that most experts believe will be difficult to reach. The results of the poll by Opinium, a leading research company, indicate that maintaining popular support for green policies may be a difficult act to pull off, and attempts in the future to curb car use and publicly fund investment in renewable resources will prove deeply unpopular." http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/c...ows-819703.html

He needs a pepper spray.

"CCTV images of the incident show two men reach over the counter and beat Stewart Evans with their fists before Mr Evans hits back with a baseball bat. “Two goons came in and they came straight after the till so I just walloped them. “They were trying to hit me but they didn't get away with anything, apart from a few lumps on their heads.” The men entered the shop early in the morning as Mr Stewart was laying out the papers. One man demanded cash from the till and when the newsagent hit the robber over the head a second man entered and started lashing him with a chain. The attackers ran out when a regular customer walked in and Mr Stewart was left with only slight injuries. It is the third time in two years that Mr Evans, from Oldham, who suffers from crippling arthritis and has to use a walking stick, has fought off thieves. In March, he scared off a gang wielding samurai swords. Five months later Mr Evans and his elderly mother fought off intruders who were brandishing a knife and a metal bar." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraphtv/349...hree-times.html

Yup I suspect it's the latter.

Broadly agree. When in trouble against superior opposition week after week the best thing is to play narrow. We simply can't play two wide players. Playing narrow gives you one or two extra passes (teams have to play around the side of you) to organise. Also playing narrow gives a chance for more possession and more interceptions. Infact if we had two good headers of the ball as CD's I'd play a diamond middle four (with one breakout option JOnas) for the counter. Even then though we don't have a killer DM to daddy this setup.

Not sure how wise it is alerting all other clubs to the availability of these two.

I think Labour are the lesser of the two evils though, don't you? Given that the BNP are never likely to get into power, never mind spend 12+ years in power.... Labour does have a lot of reason to fear the BNP vote-wise though. I mean in terms of what they stand for though. I appreciate they are unlikely to ever get into power and agree with 2nd point which also applies to the Tories, although possibly to a lesser extent. They'll never get even one MP.

I remember a long running and vitriol packed thread on asylum seekers on another board which was eventually settled by Tony Blair when he told the commons that 00.17 % or summat was our spend on Asylum. Racists don't like them numbers.

He was depressed. He started playing shit when his dad died. Yup.

John Stanton, who heads the Rock Dene Christian Fellowship in his home town in Rochford, Essex, with a congregation of 22, had also been a Green, a member of Ukip, a Lib Dem councillor in the 1990s and a member of the Conservatives in the 1970s. He told the Press Association that "the flood of immigration" was a problem, as was Islam and the European Union. He said he had been with the BNP for eight months. A worried Labour MP, whose constituency is about 98% white and appears to have the most BNP members, told the Guardian it was sometimes difficult to address concerns of communities "stirred up by malicious and false information". Colin Challen, MP for Morley and Rothwell in Yorkshire, where there are 90 members according to the list, said it was "very disappointing that local people, even to that extent, have been persuaded to believe the racist claptrap and hate politics of the BNP".

Verizon, one of the biggest telephone companies in the US, early today apologised to President-elect Barack Obama over a security breach involving his phone bill records. Lowell McAdam, president of Verizon, issued a statement saying: "This week we learned that a number of Verizon Wireless employees have, without authorisation, accessed and viewed president-elect Barack Obama's personal cell phone account." All employees who accessed the account, whether authorised or not, have been put on immediate paid leave pending an inquiry. Verizon and Obama's team said that the cell phone had not been active for months. Obama's spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said Verizon had informed the Obama team that his phone records had been improperly accessed. Gibbs said that the records could have shown numbers and the frequency of calls but little else. Verizon has yet to establish why some of their employees allegedly sought access. McAdam said: "Employees with legitimate business needs for access will be returned to their positions, while employees who have accessed the account improperly and without legitimate business justification will face appropriate disciplinary action. "We apologise to President-elect Obama and will work to keep the trust our customers place in us every day."

Whoever leaked it could have added whoever they want.

They basically have no idea, and it is illegal to officially try and find out. It's probably 7-15 million (not necessarily actively practising, but people who would describe themselves as such) - a lot of the lower estimated come from studies that only counted people that were pretty hardcore - how many "Christians" would there be in the UK if you only counted people that went to Church 4+ times a week? Pretty much.

260 million according to Fop. I think you'd better go an check the figures. Because the integrated transport policy is something that's been around for years without anything really being done about it (there was even a yes minister episode about it ). It's just a good example of something a politician might want to fix, but at best blows hot air out of their ass about it, so it hangs around like a bad fart instead for vast periods of time. Domestically it did. Not only did it allow sweeping new powers, but it made politicians panic. A 7/7 attack pre-Iraq would have been much more devastating politically than what actually did occur (by the time it did occur, it was probably almost seen as a relief politically due to the quagmire they'd got themselves into). That would make it make it different to this then, no? Given politicians kept quiet about it, according to you. Then only did something about after 9/11. No, because without 9/11 it would have still been festering away, quietly ignored, now. Hence the difference because although not a lot is done (arguably) about transport it's never been 'off the radar' in my lifetime. Politicians never stop talking about it and neither do the public. It makes a few guest appearances every now and then, but no one seriously tries to do anything about ITP, unintegrated transport policy much more so, but then that's part of the point and issue. But again islamofascist issues were never off the political and security radar (although they may have been underestimated), they were on the radar, but quietly ignored. You've actually described the difference for me. Transport is an issue that never goes away, even if it isn't at the forefront of the public interest. The problem of 'Islamofascism' to borrow your term was never in the public eye really before 9/11. Then it came to the very forefront of public interest. Which is where your rather strained analogy falls down. Ah.. I do love your bogside ambush attempts. But you're still wrong. I never said it was on the public's mind (I said the opposite), but then neither is ITP (stop someone and ask them on the street, no one will say "ooo... intergrated transport policy, when are they going to sort that out!!"). The problems with transport never go away (because no one will grasp the nettle that is ITP), but again that is exactly like festering Islamofascism pre-9/11 in the UK. Fop how is it an intelligent garcon like yerself can be led by the nose by the media?

Here it says 8 million! http://www.allied-media.com/AM/default.htm Disputed sensus...from wiki The following are a few of these disputed estimates: 1.1 million (2001) City University of New York - American Religious Identification Survey [0.5% of national adult population][36] 1.6 million (2000) Glenmary Research Center [0.5% of national population][37] 1.8 million (2007) 0.6% of population (2007 est.) The World Factbook[38] 1.9 million (2001) American Jewish Committee [0.6% of national population][39] 2.0 million (2000) Hartford Institute for Religious Research [0.7% of national population][40] 2.4 million (2007) Pew Research Center[41][42] 4.7 million (2005) Encyclopædia Britannica Book of the Year [1.5% of national population][43] 6-7 million (2001) Council on American-Islamic Relations - The Mosque in America: A National Portrait[44] 6.7 million (1997) J. Ilyas Ba-Yunus [2.2% of national population][45] 7 to 8 million (2008) Newsweek[46] Basically between 2-5 million would be my guess.

Source? Obama. Really? When did he say that? Sounds a bit high tbh. Getting on for 7% of the population. Sorry it should read 2 million. Well spotted. There are so many studies however and the range is between 1.8 million and 5 million. It's gone down as people have stopped responding in the states to the question of religion, especially the Muslim middle class since the Iraq war apparently.

Source? Obama.

There are roughly 20 million American Muslims and 1.5 Million British Muslims. Without spending a day looking up transcripts I'd venture if you put both countries convictions of Muslim nationals together it would come easily to less than 2/3 dozen. We are talking about a tiny tiny minority of nutters and people ought not to use them to taint a whole section of the population. That is known commonly as RACISM.

He works for them innit.

All white all terrorists all American. Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols and their white, married accomplices Michael and Lori Fortier Theodore Kaczynski the Unabomber Eric Robert Rudolph Samuel Bowers Michael Bray Richard Grint Butler Robert Edward Chambliss David Lane

Bin Laden was on America's 10 most wanted prior to 9/11. He was added in 1999. Ramzi Yousef first attacked the WTC in 1993. ©Nicos

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom. True of a lot of people. Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag. Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal? The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that. I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though. What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost. I agree btw. I think most people would have found it totally unacceptable. It wasn't just a case of political convenience though, it was way off the radar before 9/11 too. It wasn't under the radar (under the public and media's radar, maybe), for example police investigated Finsbury Park mosque several times in the 90's they were always told to back off and leave it alone, even though there was more than enough evidence to convict a lot of people spewing their bile there. Much like integrated transport policy they knew they had a problem by didn't want to deal with it because they knew it would be a political shitstorm that they'd at best gain little out of in the end and at worse lose a lot. Have you any decent links to support this then, or is this just another general dig at politicians? I find it hard to believe the security forces, or politicians, would have sat on their hands if they considered it a serious threat. 9/11 cahnged everything. There have been several investigations into that (and attempted cover ups too) - although in fairness it was probably a risky one for the police as the dispatches episode showed, but considering you didn't know about a universal flu vaccine I can see how you wouldn't know about them either. The thing that 9/11 changed was they realised that monitoring it and doing nothing about it wasn't likely to just allow the status quo to go on.... and in fact that they had a raft of new anti-terror legislation to play with. 9/11 didn't change anything. THe illegal and lie peddling invasion of Iraq did. Especially as there was a case to have a look at Afghanistan and an even stronger case to look into the Afg/Pakistan border territories. 9/11 didn't change the threat level from 'Al Queda' terrorists and fundamentalist nutters in general? I beg to differ. Didn't the invasion of Afghanistan precede the invasion of Iraq? What are you on about tbh? 9/11 was the result of the threat, not a trigger for it. 9/11 may have inspired some people in very small numbers. The greater converter of regular citizens into terrorists are things such as illegally invading Iraq (as Parky says), spending billions on non-iraqi contractors to fuck up the most basic reconstruction work in their country and leaving more people in poverty over there than ever before, while westerners live it up in the green zone. The threat wasn't known before 9/11 though was it? Not imo anyway. I'm not going to disagree with you re: Iraq, I've always been an outspoken critic, but we did invade Afghanistan first, did we not? I agreed with that invasion. It was known from the botched bombing attempt in 1993. "The ’93 case, like the 2001 case, was quickly cracked. Mohammad Salameh, one of the alleged bombers, had repeatedly gone to the Ryder rental office in Jersey City and demanded that Ryder refund his $400 deposit for the van, which he claimed to be stolen. Why didn’t he just confess and ask to be arrested? You remember Mohammed Atta conveniently left a suitcase, in a Maine airport, full of documents in Arabic, maps, plans to destroy buildings, along with wills of fellow conspirators. Also, Atta’s passport miraculously surfaced from the smoldering debris at Ground Zero, shouting look at me, look at me. Of course back in ’93, ‘law enforcement’ agents had already figured out from fragments at the WTC that the van was the bomb delivery vehicle. Salameh was shuffled off to jail and the FBI quickly snared other plotters. Similarly, the FBI identified almost immediately after the 9/11 hits the 19 Muslim perpertrators and declared that planes were the sole instruments of death. In the first case, Time magazine in all its wisdom, announced that the FBI “looked supremely capable in speedily rounding up suspects in the World Trade Center bombing.” Hurrah, and let’s get back to those basketball and football games."