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Random: Why Do Drug Companies Fear This Man? Maybe because he's declared all-out war on cheats in the drug industry. By John Simons October 27, 2003 (FORTUNE Magazine) – Imagine Yankees skipper Joe Torre delivering the keynote speech at a gathering of rabid Red Sox fans. That's the kind of unfriendly skepticism Michael Loucks faced earlier this month as he stepped to the podium at the Pharmaceutical Marketing Congress in Philadelphia. In the audience were about 350 drug industry executives, Chez Given, sales reps, and consultants--in other words, the people Loucks spends his days investigating. The crowd clapped politely, but they did not like what they heard. In his early-morning speech, Loucks, chief of the Justice Department's Boston-based health-care fraud unit, revealed himself as a man on the warpath, rattling off a litany of recent legal actions against drug companies: Since 2000, he noted, AstraZeneca, Bayer, GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer, and other drugmakers had coughed up more than $2.2 billion to settle such civil and criminal violations as kickbacks to doctors, overcharging, and marketing drugs for unapproved uses. Though none of that was news to the attendees, some of whom were obviously recovering from a night of convention revelry, Loucks hammered home his points with 37 PowerPoint slides. "No other sector of the health-care industry," he said, "has ever paid similar amounts in health-care fraud investigations in so short a time." The finger wagging did not stop there. "Frequently I hear the excuse that 'Everyone else is doing it.' I have two teenage daughters, and that's the first thing out of their mouths when they're doing something wrong. I don't accept that excuse from kids. And I'm not going to accept it from a defense lawyer."

Random: Drug companies chasing profits, cheating patients Bindu Shajan Perappadan ‘High-price Doxofylline being promoted as an alternative to low-price theophylline’ Doxofylline bulk drug is not a patented medicine and can be purchased in tons in China NEW DELHI: Exploiting the ignorance of the common man, over half a dozen drug companies in the country have suddenly discovered the hidden virtues of an age-old, low-lying medicine called “doxofylline”, claim experts. Before the aggressive promotion to sell the drug started last year, doctors were not even aware that such a molecule existed. Explaining what he claims is the real reason for doxofylline’s entry into the country, the Editor of the medical journal, Monthly Index of Medical Specialities, Dr. C. M. Gulati, says: “The answer lies in the way drug prices are determined and controlled in the country. Doxofylline is being offered as a more profitable alternative to theophylline, prescribed to prevent and treat wheezing, shortness of breath, and difficulty breathing caused by asthma, chronic bronchitis, emphysema, and other lung diseases. It relaxes and opens air passages in the lungs, making it easier to breathe.” “Theophylline and etofylline – molecules approved for sale in over 200 countries after having undergone rigorous post-marketing trials -- are scheduled drugs and subject to price control by the Government. By successive orders in 2006, all loopholes to sell theophylline products at high profit margins have been closed by the National Pharmaceutical Pricing Authority (NPPA), the body that monitors medicine prices in India. Therefore, nearly all companies selling theophylline formulations have been scouting for similar molecules outside the price control system irrespective of whether they are similar, better or even worse than their current brands” adds Dr. Gulati.

I hope for the best, but fear the worst.

Drug companies might from time to time do evil things, but I just want to say Chez isn't evil.

My mate was one of the main protagonists to get the German Govt onside reg generics. Hope he's already got private health insurance. My other mate works in the U.K. Gov licensing debt and deals regualarly with GSK trickery. But I shall not enter this thread. It probably will get you on their hit list. Nah. I was just hoping Chez would offer hard cash for tips on how licensing is going. :icon_lol:

I find it hard to believe it was just patrol lights from a police car when evidence suggests otherwise. Patrol lights or light from a lighthouse do not explain the high readings of radiation taken from a geiger counter in the area, the radar readings, the imprints left by the object, and witness accounts from civilians in the surrounding area. And of course the testimony from trained and experienced military officers who not only saw lights, but a solid black, glassy triangle object which they were able to see a foot away from them. All but one person's story corroborated with one anothers, and he blamed his ridiculous story on being injected with some chemical by the CIA which fucked up his memory. Always a good excuse when you know you've dug yourself a hole you can't get out of. Tbf Ken, the above was bollocks too (according to the primary evidence anyway which is far more believable than stuff people added years later). Oh come on now Alex, the testimony on tape you think was a complete fuckup on their part?? All jokes aside, you can't deny what they saw, and to downplay what they saw to lights from a lighthouse or from a police car makes them look like complete fuckwits. Do you think they are all complete fuckwits? Oh come on, indeed. Ken look at the primary evidence (i.e. the statements of the people involved at the time). In the first instance, the two people who saw the lights initially only one thought it was mechanical and he never got closer than 50 m (I think he embellished the story much later. Obvious to guess why tbh). And they saw a blinking white light in the exact position there should have been a lighthouse. Coincidence? When a second party went out 2 nights later they followed a similar blinking light for quite a distance until (guess what) they realised it was a lighthouse They also saw some star-like lights. At night. What could they have been I wonder? A Guardian journalist debunked the whole thing about 3 years after in happened. The radiation readings and the landing site have been largely discredited too. There was nothing unusual there according to people who knew the area. The whole thing is a bit of a joke in all honesty. But UFO buffs ignore all that in general because they like to view as some really significant event. And btw, if you have a look at the written testimony of the two people from the first night's 'sighting', they do indeed come across as complete fuckwits. So you are not taking into account the fact they knew they would be ridiculed by telling the truth. You are not taking into account the fact the military hierarchy, for whom they were answerable to would not like exotic descriptions like these. Alex, you aren't even thinking of these possibilities. This is a faux pas officialdom has avoided throughout history. ET has been here for about 10,000 years. Probably much longer. But Parky, you think pyramids were made by ETs, no? Explain all the evidence recorded that points toward a contrary viewpoint. You ain't my questions yet fatty.

Olympics no less. But this time it ain't the good guys.

My mate was one of the main protagonists to get the German Govt onside reg generics. Hope he's already got private health insurance. My other mate works in the U.K. Gov licensing debt and deals regualarly with GSK trickery. But I shall not enter this thread.

You work in the City Of London with Dolphins. Who do you work for? Deutschebank? I dont get the reference. I don't get the reference, but I'm having a stab in the dark at which big player you do your tea boy duties for, because you've already said you work in the City. You ever been in the Cock Tavern? I don't think he goes down mate.

Well Done. so pleased you haven't let your obvious difficulties get in the way of working with creatures more intelligent than you. So we can establish you are some kind of stand up....god. Can we keep it secular? Script writer on "My Family"? Now you're just being nasty Uncalled for......... feckin dolphin fiddling yid

My mate was one of the main protagonists to get the German Govt onside reg generics.

I find it hard to believe it was just patrol lights from a police car when evidence suggests otherwise. Patrol lights or light from a lighthouse do not explain the high readings of radiation taken from a geiger counter in the area, the radar readings, the imprints left by the object, and witness accounts from civilians in the surrounding area. And of course the testimony from trained and experienced military officers who not only saw lights, but a solid black, glassy triangle object which they were able to see a foot away from them. All but one person's story corroborated with one anothers, and he blamed his ridiculous story on being injected with some chemical by the CIA which fucked up his memory. Always a good excuse when you know you've dug yourself a hole you can't get out of. Tbf Ken, the above was bollocks too (according to the primary evidence anyway which is far more believable than stuff people added years later). Oh come on now Alex, the testimony on tape you think was a complete fuckup on their part?? All jokes aside, you can't deny what they saw, and to downplay what they saw to lights from a lighthouse or from a police car makes them look like complete fuckwits. Do you think they are all complete fuckwits? Oh come on, indeed. Ken look at the primary evidence (i.e. the statements of the people involved at the time). In the first instance, the two people who saw the lights initially only one thought it was mechanical and he never got closer than 50 m (I think he embellished the story much later. Obvious to guess why tbh). And they saw a blinking white light in the exact position there should have been a lighthouse. Coincidence? When a second party went out 2 nights later they followed a similar blinking light for quite a distance until (guess what) they realised it was a lighthouse They also saw some star-like lights. At night. What could they have been I wonder? A Guardian journalist debunked the whole thing about 3 years after in happened. The radiation readings and the landing site have been largely discredited too. There was nothing unusual there according to people who knew the area. The whole thing is a bit of a joke in all honesty. But UFO buffs ignore all that in general because they like to view as some really significant event. And btw, if you have a look at the written testimony of the two people from the first night's 'sighting', they do indeed come across as complete fuckwits. So you are not taking into account the fact they knew they would be ridiculed by telling the truth. You are not taking into account the fact the military hierarchy, for whom they were answerable to would not like exotic descriptions like these. Alex, you aren't even thinking of these possibilities. This is a faux pas officialdom has avoided throughout history. ET has been here for about 10,000 years.

Have any ever been found in any tomb that was effectively public access? There's a lot of conjecture about what they were for anyway but they are fairly easy to spot so some people may have looted them over the course of a few thousand years. The old looted rubbish. The Kings were buried in the 'Valley of the Kings'.

You work in the City Of London with Dolphins. Who do you work for? Deutschebank? I think he's a cunnilinguist.

Yes, that's a possibility, but he doesn't like the theory that technology, ideology, and customs may not be indigenous. Or it could mean there was a civilisation that rivaled Atlantis in the same time period. Mu, Lumeria?.. only in folklore currently but so was Troy not too long ago. I'm well aware of changing sea levels. I'm also well aware of shifting geology, hence why it's possible that the structures off Japan are man made and are now deep below sea level. Hawass and the Egyptian Govt are basically peddling lies. Not telling lies, just not seeking evidence to dispel alternate theories. The only theory he has dispelled is the Pyramid/alien connection. But anyone with an ounce of knowledge about the subject would have known that that was bollocks. Aliens didn't create the pyramids, man did, Egyptians. But the watermarks on the sphinx theory has been avoided by Hawass. He's a nationalist, and a traditionalist. What has been written should stay that way. Are you going by the dynastic time-scale for construction? Yes. Pyramids built beginning 2500BC to match up stars in Sirius and Orion belt, to symbolise heaven on earth. You have to go back to 10,500BC for the sphinx, along with the pyramids to all be aligned. So there were priests with astronomical knowledge in 10,500BC and this was all a grand master plan to map out a heaven on earth. This was a very brief summary. The stones weigh upto 1oo tons to some that are 200/300 tones. There are over two million stones in the biggest pyramids at an allignement (sat pics) which shows the center is 1/4 inch out...At that size it is something we can't do today. The biggest lifting land crane on the planet has a limit of 180/200 tons in 2008. If you're going by dynastic build times bearing in mind we know the quarry was 3km away across the river and official build times were 20 years, they would have to be laying a stone every 5 min or something......You see it's a joke. If they were burial chambers why was there never anybody inside....They were buried in the valley were they not? Why in the slavishly accurate and covering every wall they could get hold of is there no story of the pyramids in the hyrogliphs of that period? And why do they ignore Abydos? Parky, the largest boulders weighed 8 tonnes maximum. As I've said, Richard Hoagland has no idea what the fuck he's going on about at times. We don't know how the Egyptians did it, but they did somehow. I don't give a fuck about the weight of the stones, I just made those numbers up as Alex immediately realised. Can you illuminate me on some of my other questions reg.. The quarry being 700 km away. Abydos. The Sphinx. No mummies ever found in a Pyramid. (The kings were buried in the valley). No hyrogliph talking about the building of the pyramids (ie we did it...it took this time and we like the designs etc..) There are over 2 million stones in the Giza pyramid. etc.....

Thing is I remember them doing one of those TV programs about moving stone by boat. Historically the big issue was that they couldn't build them big enough/strong enough, but when it was discovered they could someone decided it would make good TV. Basically the only conclusion that could be accurately drawn from the program was that the people in question were shit at making piers/docks. It's like I have no idea how they managed to make the Great Eastern in the 1850's with the technology they had, but somehow they did. Well unlike you and Alex I am aware of th official version. But that is so ridiculous even thinking about it makes me laugh. Grassy Knollington strikes again

Thing is I remember them doing one of those TV programs about moving stone by boat. Historically the big issue was that they couldn't build them big enough/strong enough, but when it was discovered they could someone decided it would make good TV. Basically the only conclusion that could be accurately drawn from the program was that the people in question were shit at making piers/docks. It's like I have no idea how they managed to make the Great Eastern in the 1850's with the technology they had, but somehow they did. Well unlike you and Alex I am aware of th official version. But that is so ridiculous even thinking about it makes me laugh. I dunno, I just know most people couldn't make a seaworthy raft if it literally had to save their life (although with enough practice and direction they probably could). People make like the quarry and the Giza footprint is right next to the Nile. Think about it.

Lazer.

Thing is I remember them doing one of those TV programs about moving stone by boat. Historically the big issue was that they couldn't build them big enough/strong enough, but when it was discovered they could someone decided it would make good TV. Basically the only conclusion that could be accurately drawn from the program was that the people in question were shit at making piers/docks. It's like I have no idea how they managed to make the Great Eastern in the 1850's with the technology they had, but somehow they did. Well unlike you and Alex I am aware of th official version. But that is so ridiculous even thinking about it makes me laugh.

Those pesky distances to the quarries... Aswan (Assuan) lies 934km south from Giza up the Nile river (about 700 km air-line distance). The granite quarries lie south and southeast of the city of Aswan on the right side of the Nile and cover an area of about 20 km². The granite for the pyramids probably came from the northern part. The Egyptians did not build the pyramids. Sorry.

Do you have any ans for the questions btw? Regarding labour they love to tell us the stones were rolled on wooden logs...Err where exactly did thousands of hardwood logs come from? One of the myths is this hired labour lark. Most of the work in the official versions was done by farmers who at the same time were looking after their crops in the fields. There is no way with the tech they had (vine rope, pulleys, copper tools )and the official time line you could knock up the bigger pyramids in 20 years. I think someone worked out you'd need 100,000 men working 24/7 without sleep. Parky, there's a lot of different theories about it by lots of different archaeologists. I'm not saying the construction methods are certain but there is evidence they had 10,000s of men at their disposal. I think this sort of thing is very interesting. Where it becomes boring (imo) is when stuff is just blatantly made up (like the size of the stones and that type of construction not being possible today etc) to push some half-baked theory that they used alien technology or whatever. Look man. You get hung up about the crane thing there are stationary cranes that can lift 4,000 tonnes it's not important. The cranes example was just to show the average readily available tech today would have trouble with the pyramid stones. 10,000 men is just not enough. The people making stuff up is the Egyptian Govt. Like the Abydos temple. Unable to explain the erosion patterns and the fact it is on a lower layer (dating it at 10,000 BC ) they tell people the egyptians dug down specifically to build it, cause it doesn't fit in (nor does the Sphinx) with the dynastic timelines. I don't know how or who built them, but I do know it wasn't the Egyptians. Look man, you quoted something that exagerrated the size of the stones 100+ times I'm casual. The pyramids discovered under the sea near Japan can be carbon dated cause of the coral. Guess what? Yes they are 10,000 yrs old. There are similar pyramids in China (the Govt farmed over them to hide them). The pyramids along with other important stuff in south american was built around 9,000 to 12,500 years ago. This is no coincidence. The Egyptian Govt are just lying.

Part of the problem is whenever they do calculations they base them on 20 archaeology students (that struggle to lift the sticks) trying to shift a several ton stone with some sticks. Rather than 100's of hardened labours being directed by people who have been moving several ton stones with sticks (and ropes and ramps and ditches and frames) for generations. You've just got to look at the relatively solid data for how much an Irish canal navy could shift (or the US railroad workers) to see what I mean. I quite agree. Especially when you were at the stage of expertise they reached by the time the pyramids at Giza were built. You most probably had teams of architects, engineers, paid skilled labourers, slaves. Also, there's a theory the upper stones were poured rather than quarried and so on. It's an incredible feat that they were built within 20 years or so, obviously. Rubbish.

Part of the problem is whenever they do calculations they base them on 20 archaeology students (that struggle to lift the sticks) trying to shift a several ton stone with some sticks. Rather than 100's of hardened labours being directed by people who have been moving several ton stones with sticks (and ropes and ramps and ditches and frames) for generations. You've just got to look at the relatively solid data for how much an Irish canal navy could shift (or the US railroad workers) to see what I mean. We can't do it Fop. I saw a programme with some mechanical engineers with state of the art pulleys and rope and 100 locals fail to lift some basic blocks. Never mind the satellite confirmed accuracy of the build. Look at the circumfrence of these things, it will give you soem idea.

Do you have any ans for the questions btw? Regarding labour they love to tell us the stones were rolled on wooden logs...Err where exactly did thousands of hardwood logs come from? One of the myths is this hired labour lark. Most of the work in the official versions was done by farmers who at the same time were looking after their crops in the fields. There is no way with the tech they had (vine rope, pulleys, copper tools )and the official time line you could knock up the bigger pyramids in 20 years. I think someone worked out you'd need 100,000 men working 24/7 without sleep. Parky, there's a lot of different theories about it by lots of different archaeologists. I'm not saying the construction methods are certain but there is evidence they had 10,000s of men at their disposal. I think this sort of thing is very interesting. Where it becomes boring (imo) is when stuff is just blatantly made up (like the size of the stones and that type of construction not being possible today etc) to push some half-baked theory that they used alien technology or whatever. Look man. You get hung up about the crane thing there are stationary cranes that can lift 4,000 tonnes it's not important. The cranes example was just to show the average readily available tech today would have trouble with the pyramid stones. 10,000 men is just not enough. The people making stuff up is the Egyptian Govt. Like the Abydos temple. Unable to explain the erosion patterns and the fact it is on a lower layer (dating it at 10,000 BC ) they tell people the egyptians dug down specifically to build it, cause it doesn't fit in (nor does the Sphinx) with the dynastic timelines. I don't know how or who built them, but I do know it wasn't the Egyptians.