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Id probably steer clear of them tbh...

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh get her

That meeting was on the 18th February, well over a month ago. How long does it take to review the situation? no time at all. They know whats required for a singing section, they know the legal implications, the safety aspects and where the potential places for it are. Therefore a proper "look into the situation" would have entailed a meeting of the decision makers and a yay or nay from there. This is, sadly where UtdForNewcastle have fallen down, the meeting the other day should have been on their terms, they needed to be more aggresive in the method. I dont mean offering him outside but making it clear that the club have had time to review it and should be in a position to give an answer.

I think its a bit rich to say, improved league position when we're 6 points ahead of the bottom team. we may be 11th but its a precarious 11th. At this stage in the season pre-Ashley we had 36 points (16 more than Watford) we'd just been knocked out of the UEFA cup, got to the 5th round of the League Cup.

we need to get any new account followed from one thats not recognised so we can still see what hes saying.

however this brings us back full circle, anyone renewing a ST is at the mercy of the club deciding where they sit. Which is why they wont relocate the bulk of L7 moves to L4. The answer is to cancel the ST renewal and start a new one from scratch, that way they dont know where you were sat previously.

You may have never washed but sometimes you post some sense.

At the end of the day, if the club had agreed to the move then there'd have been all sorts of tweets going round from them. Im not doubting it was a positive meeting and they'll have been told the club will look at the petition, take it into consideration etc and review the situation. Like I say, stalling tactics to stop any early protests.

As UtdforNewcastle finished their meeting with the club at about 6.30 and have since merely tweeted to ask if people would prefer Euro 2012 win or Toon FA Cup win, I think tis fairly safe to say that "Yes, we're moving the singing section for you" was not the overriding statement.

Seriously? You're arguing that it makes no financial sense to push for a place between 6th and 12th? In 2009/10 the prize money for 6th was 12million, 12th was nearly 5 million less. Never mind the additional sales of shirts, sponsorship, corporate boxes etc etc etc. Its a mad world when accountants and businessmen get to decide that its not financially sensible to strive to win.

Kansas City to Texas: 778 miles Lowestoft to Newcastle: 282 miles.

He rates Perch though

Not in the slightest and I thought my OP made it clear that wasnt the case. What Im saying is that one persons butter is another mans shit. It shouldnt be down to the fans to find their place and definitely not at the expense of other fans. This is my whole reasoning for the thread in the first place, do we seriously think the club didnt realise there'd be this problem when they did the change? Of course they did, theyre stupid but not that stupid. They knew exactly what would happen and if they wanted to have a singing section then they would have kept it where it was or moved it before announcement. They didnt do it then so theres fuck all chance they'll do it now. The whole thing about extending Family enclosure is simply a smoke screen to get rid of you lot. They're bright enough to know that getting rid under the guise of "developing the future fanbase" makes it look valid. And this is where I come back to my original post, it wont be louder because they're not going to sit you there. Maybe the plan will backfire, maybe having a thousand singers spread across the stadium will make those around them join in but then again, 99% of those there will logically be followers, joining in a chant, they wont attempt to start one themselves (I know I never have and never would).

Too much time spent in his company

Disagree totally, I like to sing, you like to sing but the bloke next to me doesnt. The entire row in front doesnt. People pay their money to watch a match, some pay that money and select a seat thats in the middle of the singing section, others prefer to get behind the team but sit quieter watching and taking in whats happening. There are some who use it as a chance to catch up on some much needed kip, theyre known as the East Stand The point is, people have got used to their seats just as you have. There will be people in there who cant stand throughout a game due to medical problems. Suddenly having 500 lunatic kids in the rows in front of them would block their view. There'll be many in there who dont want to sing, if they did dont you think they would have moved into L7 by now and saved themselves cash? Everyone from L7 moving into L4 with the logic that "if those currently in there dont like it then they can shift" is wrong and thats the line the club will use when they refuse the bulk of the moves. As I said in my OP the only time a club could sanction a move like this would be before they had even mentioned ST renewals (as Mr Stone Cold also pointed out above). What they have guaranteed though is by "talking to the fans" and promising to look into it theyve effectively killed off any widescale protests. A good percentage of those that receive their ST who are elsewhere will swear loudly to themselves and then do nothing more about it. ps the old days were no different, people wanted to jump about and sing they went in the Gallowgate or Leazes, want to support the team quietly? West Stand, want a kip? East Stand.

I agree totally that we need a vocal singing section, that section however should always be next to the away fans otherwise theyre ineffective in shutting them up. What Im getting at in my post is that, whatever you, me or anyone else thinks, its bad craic to suddenly move a thousand fans on mass into an area where the existing tenants arent up for/ wanting that kind of participation.

So you dont support the idea of a Supporters Association then? A single "voice of the fans" will never work, thats been proven on more than one occasion, especially if that voice starts from protest (as perfectly proven by NUSC). The only way forward is for a collective of groups/ fanzines/ websites etc which never looks to take forward one particular "political agenda" but has enough clout and contacts to agree a strategy when required and move things forward when they're needed.

Interested to hear more about this bit like. Fire away. I thought I had? Im interested to know whats meant by that statement, are you seeing U4N as becoming the supporters club/ voice of the fans? or am I reading it wrong? and yes, on twitter I am pjwhitfield

Its based from your profile pic. Part of the "Baldings 1000 who are Balding" challenge.

well I would have preferred it if he'd actually stuick to the same lie throughout. One minute we would see "Mikes level of commitment in the transfer market in the Summer" and literally two minutes later he spoke about how it was unlikely he'd get his two targets in the Summer. That was then followed up later with a statement that he used to show we were spending the 35mil and talked about "out of contract" players.

Interested to hear more about this bit like.

Its a bit of both, I have it from a canny ITK that the club have zero interest in allowing you all to move to L4 (and tbf it doesnt take any ITK to work that one out) and are actively ensuring that those previously in L7 are spread as far apart as possible. Its my own personal thought though that this entire "meet with the fans" that they held with UtdforNewcastle was done to aid that process, give them the view that all will be fine and L7 people will renew, at that point theyve got you. If everyone had held off renewing until knowing what the outcome was then they'd have found it difficult to control.

There lies the problem though, why should they? These people will have already renewed and paid their money so the club wont attempt to move them. There are people there who have sat in that seat for years, why should they move or end up sitting in an area where everyone stands and signs all game if thats not what they want from a match. This is the argument the club will use and its understandable. The club knows that whatever decision it makes it will piss some people off, therefore the L7 people will be the ones. Some will be relocated in L4 but many many more will not. Its not down to how many seats there are free currently, its whether they want to allow another area to become a problem.

Firstly I want to make it clear that Im very much in favour of a Singing Section and believe that it should never have been moved. Secondly, I think the work UtdforNewcastle and other groups have done has been invaluable in raising the profile of the cause. Its time however that people stopped believing that L4 is now the Singing Section because its nailed on that it wont be, neither will the Leazes, Gallowgate, East Stand, Platinum Club or another part of the ground be. This football club has no intention of relocating it, it was disbanded for a reason, to stop protest, stop the naughty songs about Ashley etc and ensure that next season we give even less abuse. To relocate it would be counter productive, all they would have achieved is promote the very thing they dont want. I dont think anyone has any handle on how many L7 fans have requested a move to L4 but Id make a conservative estimate at 500 to a thousand (thats quite a range). UtdforNewcastle however are under the belief that its a done deal, that next season they'll be singing, shouting and pogoing in a lower level with thousands of like minded people. As Ive been saying on twitter, any mass relocation would have to have been done pre-ST renewals otherwise its not fair on those alreadly located there. Does anyone believe that the masses currently in L4 want to be in a Singing section? if they did then they would have bought L7 last season and saved themselves a fortune. Therefore, is it really fair to lumber them with people who do want that? No. Does the club know this? of course it does and it will be the reason given as to why offical relocation is not on the cards. So that leaves those who have requested L4 thinking they'll just set it up themselves anyway, unlikely, the majority of those fans will be spread across the ground, anywhere that is the same price as L4 will now see additional fans placed in, spread as evenly across the ground as possible but not in any kind of clusters to reduce the chances of organised signing breaking out. I reckon theres going to be some disappointed and angry people come May/June however by that time its too late to protest about it, the moments gone and the club know that, theyre simply buying time and humouring people with a meeting here and there.

I refer the honourary gentleman to my post where I was having same issues but not on Sky.