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Doesnt seem to be any link to listen????? I have listened before so if someone else knows the link, please post.

that's a fair opinion. However we always seem to be making excuses why it's never the right time to protest. Last October wasn't right because we needed to back joe December wast any good because mike was going to be a good owner then we had not to upset the lads as we fought relegation the we had al-together now now we don't want protest while we are doing ok in the league. So the question is Chrissy, are we saying that we should never protest?

Shit your right, silly me.

You didn't then? tbh Im not sure. Peaspud may know better how it was done whether it was by email or a meeting. The fact that so few voted makes me doubt it was an email, but pud will no better. It also wasn't a great issue at the time as I think most people at the time thought club ownership was a misty eyed dream as it is elsewhere in top uk clubs. Bearing in mind it's only severa weeks since Graham Roberts first arrived on the scene touting this pension plan , I do think Nust has jump on board this one issue very quickly. In a week where keegan was cleared and the regime was once again found to be lying I would have liked to have seen the leaders of nusc lining up and reciting happy faces scroll of shame rather than this yes you can campaign and 20 million worth of "pledges". Did the committe have a vote to go down this pension road, is there one person pushing it or was it unamimous? I don't really see the big deal with a bit of openess and debate.

One doesn't believe a word I say and one doesn't want to debate. Point...less I wousd say chrissy. What's your thoughts on NUSC?

I, and I assume many others, signed up to NUST not because of the protests (which they didn't organise. The 'protest' at the Monument was a meeting to drum up support before the match) but because I thought it was a good idea in general. I have no problem with either protesting or the current route they're taking but some people do. If NUST actively endorse a batch of protests hundreds of wailing spastics are going to tut and accuse them of scaring off potential buyers. I've also never said that there shouldn't be debate, I welcome it but I can't debate with a contrary fucker such as yourself. I'm hugely confused as to what point you're trying to make. You seem to flit from pissy issue to pissy issue (the "why don't NUSC by a pub" whinge, anyone?) and then act all indignant when people don't take it seriously throwing in the odd word like 'democracy'. Well dont

Quite simply the biggest load of tosh I've yet to see from your keyboard tbh. I'd tell you the same thing but I'd have to keep repeating it every time you posted. You want to have a word after some of the absolute shite you've spewed out in this thread. You evade every direct question, shrink back when called out on one of your fairly blatant implications, and in general look like the sort of bloke who'll make a snide comment and a nasty remark but can't stand behind the convictions of his beliefs. If you think the Interim Committee are some sort of junta taking NUSC/NUST in a direction you don't want it to go and that you don't think the rest of your fellow members want it to go, then out with it. But FFS don't fanny about like this. Bla bla bla bla bla See this is what happens when you you just type like a little internet warrior without actually reading other peoples posts. I've already made my views on the direction NUST is going quite plain both here and on the NUST forum. Having started this thread, ive also made many a suggestion over several months to try and help improve the organisation I am a member of. Have you? Are you? Next time you want to have a rant, put a bit of meat on the bones rather than a girly tantrum. It often seems like your raison d'etre on this board is to criticise the NUSC and you do a terrible, nasty-minded job of it, so I don't believe a word of what you say about how you "try to help improve the organisation you am a member of." More like, try to help it resemble what you think it should look like, which you know is unrealistic and not going to happen, so you instead resort to implications and "simple questions" which you've had the answer to and it wasn't what you were looking for. Did you really believe that the interim committee were little despots who were going to forcibly drag their membership along with them into Trust-ship against their will? You're not happy with the 'fixation' on becoming a Trust? Which way did you vote again? Fascinating how you keep ignoring that question. No doubt you either voted for, or you didn't vote, and either way you've got no right to complain now. More Blah Blah Blah..... 7 months ago I started this suggestion thread.....Have you suggested ANYTHING yet

Alex, I have no problem with the trust as run at other clubs. The problem I have is this fixation with the Graham Roberts pension idea that seems to have consumed everything else the old Nusc was about. I think if you look back at the initial talk about going to a trust, it was a useful thing to do and a good aim to have but now it seems to have turned into a monster. I would have been just as happy with a great supporters club that looked after fans issues but could also take the club to task.

Totally and utterly wrong though. At the point where we realised protests were not doing any good we had around 250 - 300 members. Since then we've increased that ten fold. 90% of our members are since the days of protest. That doesnt mean that 90% of the members dont want protest or for that matter that 10% do, it does however show that when you quote these "most of the members joined to protest" then its an incorrect quote. Well lots not split hairs but my membership number is in the 800's and there was still organised protest going on after that. I even attended one at the monument. Nobody is calling for a return to the bed sheet brigade but currently no protests of any sort seem to be taking place. Even one of Nust leaders on the forum talks about returning to protests if it becomes apparent Ashley is not selling!!! Well unless I'm mistaken, most on here think he's not selling.

was just on the way out the door and had all the other ingredients in ready to make a nice chicken kebab when I got home. Ended up using salad cream (did the trick) and yes much better idea to get some in. Cheers as well Brock.

I have no problem with your opinion and agree with some of it. However when you are a member of a democratic organisation you have the right to agree with some bits and not others. When you say they were getting a rediculous amount of shite last year when they were protesting, you must also remember that it was those protest that lead to a 2000 plus membership. As you know I have argued for it to move on from a simple protest group to a proper supporters club. You seem to ignore all this and avoid any constructive argument as to where we are and where we should be going. Let's call the bed sheet protests the far left and the pension yes we can campaign the far right. I would like to see us inbetween centre and far right. It's a very simple position to understand and those of you who say there should be no debate, no criticism, in my view, do more harm than good. With that attitude when renewal letters go out there will be very few takers. Imagine toontastic with no debate, no arguments.... It would shrivel and die. The more people who give their opinion and help mould Nust the better.

Personally I think you have your knickers in a twist. Apart from one jokey comment I have simply asked one very basic question. Other people have chosen to discuss the ins and outs of it. I have implied nothing. My views that I think NUST have become obsessed with this pension / buy the club campaign are clear. I am also dissapointed that more is not being done to encourage Ashley to leave. It seems to me therefore straightforward to as how many of the 2000 plus voted to go down this road. If it was 1001 then that is fine. If it was based on a show of 50 hands at a roadshow then that's a different matter. You are quite aware that others are raisining similar concerns. It would be a shame for the interim committee to ignore these issue as they may end up with a very poor response when renewal fees are requested. The committee arent ignoring anything, I told you 4 pages back. If you want something answering then do it in the correct place. As it is, I'll give you the answer here. Seems I was a tad out when I said 99.8% earlier on, being optimistic I was. The result of the poll was: 325 votes for 7 votes against which gives a majority of 97.89% Im sure you'll agree CT that a vote as important as that is one in which everyone should vote, every single member should be having a view and saying their bit otherwise they really cant shout later on if they decide they're not so keen on that idea now can they? How did you vote again? I think you know very well I asked this question on the NUST forum several days ago and have not had an answer their. Thank you for getting it. What it now tells me is that less than 16% of the membership voted to change to a trust. And before you start I agree that voter turn out / apathy is not your fault. If 2000 plus people were contacted and only 332 replied then thats nobodys fault. It does however also leave (1700 plus) a massive majority of NUST members out there whose thoughts a year down the road have not being heard. Unlike some who couldnt give a shit and havent put their money where the mouth is, I have joined up and am interested in NUST. Just like a lot of labour voters didnt agree with the direction of new labour under Blair, I am quite entitled not to agree with the current direction of NUST and raise those objections. I have long since championed NUSC becoming a proper supporters club (shocking we dont have one) I would also like to see the pressure kept up on the Ashley / LLambias I think the interim committee has become obsessed with this pension / buy the club idea and has dedicated far more time to that than they have to protesting against Ashley. Their is very much an air of we dont what to rock the boat or big business wont get involved with the pension idea. The problem is while NUST is obsessed with pleasing big business, I feel that a lot of the 2000 will dwindle away which will be a big shame and an opportunity lost.

Quite simply the biggest load of tosh I've yet to see from your keyboard tbh. Well I wasn't planning to personalise this. But really, you haven't said a lot in God knows how many posts, and it comes across as petty minded sniping imo. If you got some charge of substance to levy against NUSC, you should come out with it, or cut the crap I only re-opened this thread to direct members over to the forum where I assure you this subject is being discussed (a tad more grown up than on here). It is peoples re-action to my very simple question that has produced a few pages of waffle.

Quite simply the biggest load of tosh I've yet to see from your keyboard tbh. I'd tell you the same thing but I'd have to keep repeating it every time you posted. You want to have a word after some of the absolute shite you've spewed out in this thread. You evade every direct question, shrink back when called out on one of your fairly blatant implications, and in general look like the sort of bloke who'll make a snide comment and a nasty remark but can't stand behind the convictions of his beliefs. If you think the Interim Committee are some sort of junta taking NUSC/NUST in a direction you don't want it to go and that you don't think the rest of your fellow members want it to go, then out with it. But FFS don't fanny about like this. Bla bla bla bla bla See this is what happens when you you just type like a little internet warrior without actually reading other peoples posts. I've already made my views on the direction NUST is going quite plain both here and on the NUST forum. Having started this thread, ive also made many a suggestion over several months to try and help improve the organisation I am a member of. Have you? Are you? Next time you want to have a rant, put a bit of meat on the bones rather than a girly tantrum.

Quite simply the biggest load of tosh I've yet to see from your keyboard tbh.

Personally I think you have your knickers in a twist. Apart from one jokey comment I have simply asked one very basic question. Other people have chosen to discuss the ins and outs of it. I have implied nothing. My views that I think NUST have become obsessed with this pension / buy the club campaign are clear. I am also dissapointed that more is not being done to encourage Ashley to leave. It seems to me therefore straightforward to as how many of the 2000 plus voted to go down this road. If it was 1001 then that is fine. If it was based on a show of 50 hands at a roadshow then that's a different matter. You are quite aware that others are raisining similar concerns. It would be a shame for the interim committee to ignore these issue as they may end up with a very poor response when renewal fees are requested.

Seriously i cant remember, however i feel at the time we were being asked to change from Ray Stubbs to Steve Ryder and someone we've ended up with David Ike. Its still not the end of the world making the actual figures public. If you can't even remember I fail to see how you can kick up a fuss about how it was done. You obviously didn't care enough about it at the time. seems like no-one at nusc / nust can remember how many voted yes either.

Seriously i cant remember, however i feel at the time we were being asked to change from Ray Stubbs to Steve Ryder and someone we've ended up with David Ike. Its still not the end of the world making the actual figures public.

Cant discuss that with a non member

A taste of things to come Peaspud

I think the exact figure is irrelevant in this particular case. It's not as if it was a contentious issue. There are a tonne of pros and virtually no cons. Its funny but if you go back to page 1 of this thread we were asking NUSC to become a bit more professional and become more of a supporters club rather than a one issue protest group. However I and others feel that the fight has totally gone and we are left with this obsession about pension plans and one day buying the club. Not only do some feel as with most big clubs, this will never happen, but also there are bigger fish to fry at this moment in time, namely Ashley. While he is dithering at the moment about selling, all guns should be firing in his direction. The Guns of NUSC are silent...... Too busy fannying on with this "YES YOU CAN" campaign. Therefore, it is a legitimate question in a democratic paid up organisation to ask.... How many of the 2000 plus, paid up members, voted to change to a trust.

And still no one answers how many of 2000 plus people voted to convert to a trust.

Early on next year. Of course, when we first formed as NUSC we said the Interim Committee would be in place until June 2009. Since then of course we moved down the route of converting to a trust (which was approved by the vast majority of members). In doing so, of course we've been talking to and taking advice from Supporters Direct. They said that with us changing to Trust status over the summer, the June elections would have to be put back. Once the Trust was in place, they then said there would be a bedding in period (which is where we are at right now) lasting a few months. The timeline that they drew up takes us into the new year, around January/February, before elections would be held. Supporters Direct will assist us in this process to ensure that they meet all of their criteria and rules. What I would say is that although the conversion to the Trust has put the elections back, it also guarantees them. Under the rules drawn up by Supporters Direct, Trusts MUST hold elections. It would be nice if a someone from NUSC / NUST would advise how many of the 2000+ members voted to change to a trust. I have asked on several occasions but to date have not had a reply. Unsure how a seperate body can force NUSC to change its election policy. Could election plans not have been put in place whilst all this was going on? I have a fear that NUSC has gone down a path that unfortunately will have alienated a lot of its members however this will not become apparent until they are either asked to vote or to re-new their membership.

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