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Inspector Fish, you deserve a promotion. CT is a tiresome fellow on many levels and his Jonas obsession is almost as bad as Gemmill's Martins one. Jonas is not what he was hyped to be, but he contributes a lot to our team that the rest of our squad simply are not capable of doing. I remember several games where he had an absolute field day against the opposing right back - . Would I like to have someone better? Yes. Would I prefer to still have Milner? Yes. But considering the state we're in, he's one of the better players in the side. Why didn't Mike buy us a better winger if Jonas is so shite? By the same token, why did he buy him in the first place if he's so shite? Oh, I know, because he was supposedly going to be on a free so Ashley could replace Milner and still make a profit (all for the good of NUFC and nothing to do with filling his own pockets of course.) Too bad that didn't work out either and we ended up paying for him as well, all thanks to the expert scouting staff employed by Ashley. This is the problem though, people like you trot out this crap as highlighted above when the truth is more what I describe. What we have needed for some time is another Routledge on the left. Jonas huffs and puffs but fuck all comes from it. Doesnt matter if he has a field day if the ball doesnt end up in the back of the net. Personally I would have like to see Lua Lua brought into the team and given a run but can only imagine at some point he has bee caught in the showers with Mrs Hughton.

Frustrating as he is if you can't see the value of a player who can hold possession and continually beat and frustrate the opposition then you're on a different page altogether. and appreciate the sheer number of freekicks he wins too, it'll be even more in the prem with the refs being a lot pickier about freekicks if we get someone who can deliver a ball properly it'll be even more valuable with the height in the side haven't got a clue what that last sentence is all about???

Frustrating as he is if you can't see the value of a player who can hold possession and continually beat and frustrate the opposition then you're on a different page altogether. But he doesn't, he runs for 25 yards and then usually loses posession. And the only people he frustrates is toon fans!

OK so what's the better situation to be in, a club with a £100m turnover, and outgoings of £105m, or a club with a £60m turnover and £55 outgoings? The size of the business is the first one, the £100m generated enabling the club to play on a higher level. Yeah your right as long as its within tight limits like you say.

Turnover means Sweet F.A. Its profit that the boyo.

When will you lot ever give it a fucking rest with Jonas!!!!! He is absolute shite. He was shite in the prem and has continued to do fuck all in this division apart from run around like a cat with a firework strapped to its tail. Routledge has looked far more a proper player than Jonas has in the short time he's been here. Rant over. As for Enrique, Alex summed him up

See what I mean? Fuck Off

4/10 Absolute dross and as wooden as they come.

based on what evidence though? one not completely awful transfer window and the fact we're leading an absolutely terrible league? Based on the voices in his head on current evidence. CT, you say you "feel confident." Can you describe what gives you this feeling of confidence? You aren't worried at all that Hughton is obviously not going to cut it in the Premier League and so therefore his "plans on the go" will not be sufficient to make sure we don't go straight back down? See reply to Andrew. Successful entrepeneurs can be gamblers and can fuck up, but they usually learn pretty quickly. I think he has now decided to be hands on with regard to decision making and the mistakes of previous seasons wont be repeated. There is no evidence of this, only an opinion based on working with some very successful retail people. With regard to Hughton, none of us know whether he will cut it or not. He is very highly thought of as a coach and has done very well this season, particularly bearing all the off field distractions etc etc. He has handled the press well and let the results do the talking. The circus club and usual stories have not got off the ground under him. He also imo makes very good substitutions. Apart from a handful of quality managers, the rest of the possibles are a big big gamble as we know only too well.... Strachan at boro, Bruce at Sunderland...Each a short time ago would have been considered a much better choice than Hughton. Honestly, I am really starting to think next year could be quite promising.

based on what evidence though? one not completely awful transfer window and the fact we're leading an absolutely terrible league? Based on the fact that money is important to Ashley. He is after all a very successful businessman regardless of what we think of him. As with all opinions in football there are no opinions and we can only wait and see.

I dont understand this... Gutierrez will do fine Barton has ALOT of PL experience but also ALOT to prove. Smith ALOT of PL experience. Guthrie has a good amount of PL experience. Raylor good amount of PL experience. None of the above are fantastic footballers but should do a job in the PL. Im not saying that its good enough, it does need improving but its not as bad as some make out. New owner in and a cheeky 10mil bid for Rodwell and play him instead of Smith. Jonas and Guthrie will do fine for our ambitions next year. R. Taylor is a Championship player, I'm not sure Barton will even play 5 more games for NUFC (and he's worthless anyway), and the less said about Smith, the better. "A lot" is two words, by the way. As for CT's post, need I remind you under whose watch all of the players you rate as not good enough for the PL were brought in? For all you talk about Ashley running our club as a business, "lean and mean," you appear to be conceding that he's lumbered the club with dross. Parker, Milner, N'Zogbia et al may have been on mega wages, but at least they were Premier League quality. Now we've got no money (thanks to being relegated owing to Fat Mike's terrible decisions and the shit players brought in by the shit staff he employed) and no good - even decent - players. I know which situation I'd prefer. This transfer window brought us one potential PL player in Routledge and one player who might provide passable cover in the PL (Simpson). It also brought in someone who isn't even good enough for this level, let alone the PL. There were plenty of signs of planning for the short term, as evidenced by good loan deals so far this season, but there are little to no signs of planning for regaining our status as a Premier League club. No Thanks Plenty of threads going on that so no point hijacking this one. The team we've got is the one to get us out of this division. That is all that matters. I feel pretty confident that if we do go up, Ashley will ensure we are either sold very quickly or strengthened so we dont go straight back down. I am also sure Hughton will have plans on the go for the summer.

The damned united. 9/10 loved it. Oh for the good old days.

We have a back five that would see us survive in the prem. Unfortunately the entire midfield and forwards need replacing. None of them will cut it next year in the prem. (routledge maybe).

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"planning".......... according to wankers like Renton and Baggio a few years ago, this was the key to a golden future the likes of which Fat Fred and the Halls had never delivered You could not make it up if you tried. Talking bollocks and comparing me to Baggio now, nice one . All I said was it would have made sense to plan for Robson's replacement, rather than sack him 5 games into a season with the transfer window shut and no replacement, hence ending up with Souness. See, this is an area I have mentioned before, at the time, and was roundly condemned by clever dicks like you, but I was and still am correct, when you harped on about this "planning" business. The ONLY thing that matter is getting a manager who gets results ie knows what he is doing. Did you say the same thing when Gullit was replaced by Sir Bob a handful of games into the season ie "bad planning" You spout complete bollocks as usual Renton. i think renton's post is spot on tbh. don't sack a gem of a manager like robson when there isn't a better alternative. i think even as fat fred's biggest fan, you would admit that he got that one wrong. souness replacing sbr for me marked the beginning of our current plight. excacerbated by the fact that fat fred backed him to the hilt. hmmm.....well, I remember - at the time - the team being booed for finishing 5th in the league and a growing feeling that Sir Bob was starting to get things wrong and needed replaced. Still, I expect some people will try and deny this is true. His point is about timing and "planning", not the quality of the manager. MY point is about the quality of the manager, there is no "bad time" to get a quality manager. These are the memories I have of his last season. In particular he seemed to "forget" about being able to use substitutes and as such they were always in the last 10 minutes. Didnt only 5,000 or so stay for the lap of honour that year which really pissed SBR off. correct. Why do people disregard this. Were they not there or something, or just have a selective memory ? You're spot on about the fans...they influenced a weak and foolish man (in this case) who, seeing as he was drawing a 6 figure sum from the club every season in a salary may have been expected to see a bigger picture.... For me Shep thought he knew more about football than Sir Bob on this issue which is patent bollocks. Why not back the man who had delivered for him in the previous two seasons? Why not back the man and be stronger than the rabble? Theres a significant minority of Arsenal fans who want rid of Wenger...do you think the Arsenal board are going to be weak enough to sack him? Shep shot the goose who'd been laying golden eggs for him....and in doing so he laid the foundations for his own downfall at the club....but it has to be said Sir Bob was dreadfully let down by the fans as well. the continued insistence that such decisions were/are made completely by people with less than 30% of shares totally on their own, ruins observations like this. Fact is, at the time, the majority were starting to think Sir Bob needed replacing. If we think so, why not the people in the boardroom too ? The bit in bold is speculative nonsense, just the sort of usual "any stick will do" comment. Sir Bob was let down by the fans too. Those 5000 who booed the players, totally sickened me, it was absolutely shameful. This wears a bit thin for me. If he wasnt being allowed to run the club as chairman he should have stepped down ala keegan

"planning".......... according to wankers like Renton and Baggio a few years ago, this was the key to a golden future the likes of which Fat Fred and the Halls had never delivered You could not make it up if you tried. Talking bollocks and comparing me to Baggio now, nice one . All I said was it would have made sense to plan for Robson's replacement, rather than sack him 5 games into a season with the transfer window shut and no replacement, hence ending up with Souness. See, this is an area I have mentioned before, at the time, and was roundly condemned by clever dicks like you, but I was and still am correct, when you harped on about this "planning" business. The ONLY thing that matter is getting a manager who gets results ie knows what he is doing. Did you say the same thing when Gullit was replaced by Sir Bob a handful of games into the season ie "bad planning" You spout complete bollocks as usual Renton. i think renton's post is spot on tbh. don't sack a gem of a manager like robson when there isn't a better alternative. i think even as fat fred's biggest fan, you would admit that he got that one wrong. souness replacing sbr for me marked the beginning of our current plight. excacerbated by the fact that fat fred backed him to the hilt. hmmm.....well, I remember - at the time - the team being booed for finishing 5th in the league and a growing feeling that Sir Bob was starting to get things wrong and needed replaced. Still, I expect some people will try and deny this is true. His point is about timing and "planning", not the quality of the manager. MY point is about the quality of the manager, there is no "bad time" to get a quality manager. These are the memories I have of his last season. In particular he seemed to "forget" about being able to use substitutes and as such they were always in the last 10 minutes. Didnt only 5,000 or so stay for the lap of honour that year which really pissed SBR off. correct. Why do people disregard this. Were they not there or something, or just have a selective memory ? You're spot on about the fans...they influenced a weak and foolish man (in this case) who, seeing as he was drawing a 6 figure sum from the club every season in a salary may have been expected to see a bigger picture....For me Shep thought he knew more about football than Sir Bob on this issue which is patent bollocks. Why not back the man who had delivered for him in the previous two seasons? Why not back the man and be stronger than the rabble? Theres a significant minority of Arsenal fans who want rid of Wenger...do you think the Arsenal board are going to be weak enough to sack him? Shep shot the goose who'd been laying golden eggs for him....and in doing so he laid the foundations for his own downfall at the club....but it has to be said Sir Bob was dreadfully let down by the fans as well. Bottom line was he probably was too old for the job, just. I think a bit of dementia had started to set in and its a shame he could not have retired upstairs with some dignity. He could have done with a really strong no 2 in that last season who could have handled the dressing room rabble and nudged him come time for a substitution. Just a shame we didnt get him earlier.

Dont know if this has already being posted. Simon Bird Is Mike Ashley finally listening and making sensible decisions? Indeed he is sir, indeed he is.

hmmm.....well, I remember - at the time - the team being booed for finishing 5th in the league and a growing feeling that Sir Bob was starting to get things wrong and needed replaced. Still, I expect some people will try and deny this is true. I recall it very differently. Shepard totally undermind SBR authority in august just before the season was about to start by telling the press his contract would not be renewed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ted/3943617.stm This culminated in Dyer refusing to start the season on the right wing, and SBR dropped him to the bench. http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles...le_result.shtml http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...obson-down.html This is also why the mongs in the crowd and on the board thought Souness was the strong minded person we needed. Rather than fining the player and telling him he'd rot in the reserves, he sacked the manager with no backup plan. Nice one Fred. This chain of events are where all my disdain toward Shepard stems from. All of what you talk about follows a season when a lot of people thought he had lost it and were grumbling about him generally culminating in the 5,000 lap of honour. I am sure all of this would have started to effect the judgement of the re-actionary shepherd. They should have had a manager ready to take over as soon as the season finished.

I always knew that conditions for animals in circuses were shit but thought zoos in general were "better" but I think what really turned me off was going to one about 25 years ago with my niece who was 5 or 6 at the time - it took the innocent questions like "why does that lion look so sad" to really wake me up. In fact I think she was so upset that we left early. Places like Monkey World are a bit different but these places where animals are used for "entertainment" are fucking immoral imo. Was going to make a comment about not being able to tell if a lion looks happy or sad but a quick google proves five year olds know best

"planning".......... according to wankers like Renton and Baggio a few years ago, this was the key to a golden future the likes of which Fat Fred and the Halls had never delivered You could not make it up if you tried. Talking bollocks and comparing me to Baggio now, nice one . All I said was it would have made sense to plan for Robson's replacement, rather than sack him 5 games into a season with the transfer window shut and no replacement, hence ending up with Souness. See, this is an area I have mentioned before, at the time, and was roundly condemned by clever dicks like you, but I was and still am correct, when you harped on about this "planning" business. The ONLY thing that matter is getting a manager who gets results ie knows what he is doing. Did you say the same thing when Gullit was replaced by Sir Bob a handful of games into the season ie "bad planning" You spout complete bollocks as usual Renton. i think renton's post is spot on tbh. don't sack a gem of a manager like robson when there isn't a better alternative. i think even as fat fred's biggest fan, you would admit that he got that one wrong. souness replacing sbr for me marked the beginning of our current plight. excacerbated by the fact that fat fred backed him to the hilt. hmmm.....well, I remember - at the time - the team being booed for finishing 5th in the league and a growing feeling that Sir Bob was starting to get things wrong and needed replaced. Still, I expect some people will try and deny this is true. His point is about timing and "planning", not the quality of the manager. MY point is about the quality of the manager, there is no "bad time" to get a quality manager. These are the memories I have of his last season. In particular he seemed to "forget" about being able to use substitutes and as such they were always in the last 10 minutes. Didnt only 5,000 or so stay for the lap of honour that year which really pissed SBR off.

correct, it also shows that the Halls were instrumental in the running of the club [of course they must have been] but that still won't stop cretins like Renton to continue blaming one person who had less than 30% of shares taking the blame for everything. Not exactly the sort of view smart lads should be spouting..... Surely if the halls were instrumental, then they should also share the praise that you lavish on Freddy. It sometimes (often) seems that everything that was good was Freds ideas and everything that was bad was the halls?????