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Look at it like a divorce CT, one you've been going through for 2 years. Yes, you're getting back your record collection, which is nice, but the slag is still living in the house where you pay the mortgage and won't let you see the kids. See thats just more pessimism..... I'll look at it as Mike Ashley, making the decisions to secure promotion.

And Leazes would know about that I am one of the few people who correctly called Ashley, and got the Halls and Shepherd into the correct perspective. Its quite refreshing that you have admitted elsewhere you got them wrong, and yet still say that I am spouting rubbish. You should admit that I was right, and bow down to someone who had superior judgement Shit Im going to bite........ Pop the link in where you correctly called Ashley. I will look tomorrow. Your defence of Ashley is admirable, but naive and misguided I'm afraid. We will never qualify for the Champs League like we did, under his ownership, like we did under the previous regime, while he has a hole in his arse. He has taken us back over 20 years in fact, and people like you have completely accepted the lower standards and expectations that he has inflicted on the club and its support. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/...,68021.676.html " In each case there came a point where the evidence was overwhelming that my optimism was unfounded. " At least it seems like a proper debate that thread Leazes, not the hysteria on here. (Couldnt see you in that link tho??? Confused) Are you reading the same thread. The one where they're debating whether we "needed to be relegated" as if it was the Ashley masterplan? And you talk about rewriting history. Just reading a few of the posts on that page Leazes posted.....Mr Pessimistic Face The bottom line is that the militant minority have nothing to offer only pessimism.

What happened to this CT? Has one campaign in the Championship suddenly changed your opinion on the current regime, and if so how? To simply put it were a joke, seriously if you see any positive outlook when we return to the Premiership, then you're clearly misguided, and the best outcome is survival, although that requires sufficent backing in the transfer window, which given Ashley's record that doesn't look too positive, so you're suggesting we give him another chance? For what exactly? To let him continue to demoralise the club and mislead the fans yet again, fuck that for a laugh. Fuck me just read the opening post and all your questions are answered.... And with regard to You've lost me. returning to the premiership is not positive?????

And Leazes would know about that I am one of the few people who correctly called Ashley, and got the Halls and Shepherd into the correct perspective. Its quite refreshing that you have admitted elsewhere you got them wrong, and yet still say that I am spouting rubbish. You should admit that I was right, and bow down to someone who had superior judgement Shit Im going to bite........ Pop the link in where you correctly called Ashley. I will look tomorrow. Your defence of Ashley is admirable, but naive and misguided I'm afraid. We will never qualify for the Champs League like we did, under his ownership, like we did under the previous regime, while he has a hole in his arse. He has taken us back over 20 years in fact, and people like you have completely accepted the lower standards and expectations that he has inflicted on the club and its support. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/...,68021.676.html " In each case there came a point where the evidence was overwhelming that my optimism was unfounded. " At least it seems like a proper debate that thread Leazes, not the hysteria on here. (Couldnt see you in that link tho??? Confused)

Next CT will be arguing that Ashley is more successful than Shepherd because he got us promoted, something Shep didnt manage once in the last 16 years! Lots of huff and puff, but the facts, as set out in the opening post, remain..........

And it continued its slide into the Championship under his running. ...and thankfully we are going back up. So what is your point?? Another example of your long-term damage CT; reducing expectations to such a degree that relegation is passed off as just one of those things, so long as we get back up again. The point he is making, which is clear as day to me, was that we were heading downwards before Ashley came here. 1 month before Ashley bought us we had just finished 6 points off relegation. Surely its quite easy to understand his view that we were on the slide without getting all hysterical

FYP A stunning input as usual

Brilliant :icon_lol:

Thats seriously so funny. Just nearly joked on me Brekkie

Been banned from that Hobgoblins tho

Don't make the bet, CT. We'll miss you when you're gone!

Someone who mouthed off left right and centre about how good Ashley was for the club but when put on the spot by Pud and asked to put his money where his mouth was (for charity) he suddenly didn't seem so confident.. Very confident but money is money for some of us. £40 to charity seems fair to me. Thats the point of the bet though, I cant afford to go throwing a hundred quid to a charity (I wish I could) but the fact is I could have made it £500 for every million because Im 100% confident in my belief, making it a simple "yes/no" bet doesnt prove anything, wont make you think how much Ashley lost you when you do lose. This is the same sort of bet I had with Baggio and he was confident with his beliefs so he took it, he lost miserably but he paid up and topped it up with his own donation, strangely enough he was hardly seen on here since, it might have been coincidence or it could have been that hed had his arse burnt and started to realise the alternative view. The point of the whole thing is that if you have the confidence in your "saviour" that you say you have then the money wont be a consideration because you know you wont lose. Fuck me you talk some shite at times. How old are you You are starting to sound like some sort of sad internet warrior who cant debate anything without resorting to a bet I dont know who baggio is, but he takes you up on a bet, then pays up and you still want to call him.....Sad, very sad. Ok lets forget money all together. The loser fucks off for 6 months, nice and simple. Yes or No PP, Yes or No

And Leazes would know about that I am one of the few people who correctly called Ashley, and got the Halls and Shepherd into the correct perspective. Its quite refreshing that you have admitted elsewhere you got them wrong, and yet still say that I am spouting rubbish. You should admit that I was right, and bow down to someone who had superior judgement Shit Im going to bite........ Pop the link in where you correctly called Ashley. I will look tomorrow. Your defence of Ashley is admirable, but naive and misguided I'm afraid. We will never qualify for the Champs League like we did, under his ownership, like we did under the previous regime, while he has a hole in his arse. He has taken us back over 20 years in fact, and people like you have completely accepted the lower standards and expectations that he has inflicted on the club and its support. Just for you Leazes... http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=407332 6 months after my post in the other thread like Thats pretty impressive Leazes.....But .....at the time you were dissing them they were 11th in the table and not third bottom as they had been exactly a year earlier under Fat Fred???

And Leazes would know about that I am one of the few people who correctly called Ashley, and got the Halls and Shepherd into the correct perspective. Its quite refreshing that you have admitted elsewhere you got them wrong, and yet still say that I am spouting rubbish. You should admit that I was right, and bow down to someone who had superior judgement Come on Leazes, tell it like it really is. We've agreed (as most people do) they made a lot of mistakes as well as bringing us some great times we'll not see again for a long time. I've always told it like it is. 5th most qualified team for europe in the country, 5th highest average league position, transformed the club, transformed the stadium, filled it every week, bough top quality footballers to the club etc etc.........so what exactly are you disagreeing with here ?

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And Leazes would know about that I am one of the few people who correctly called Ashley, and got the Halls and Shepherd into the correct perspective. Its quite refreshing that you have admitted elsewhere you got them wrong, and yet still say that I am spouting rubbish. You should admit that I was right, and bow down to someone who had superior judgement Shit Im going to bite........ Pop the link in where you correctly called Ashley.

Manager appointed to gain promotion Manager backed in January window Major players not sold in January you've overstepped the WUM marker CT. Tedious in the extreme now. Talk about the Halls and Shepherd ffs, now THEY gave us something worth supporting. Im talking about the current Leazes , not fucking history. Hall and Shepherd are as relevant to today as Malcolm McDonald. And I am talking about ambition, and desire for success. You are getting tedious, and obviously a WUM.. Your credibility will dive if you keep up spouting this shite :icon_lol: As much as I'd like to plod on, I know where this is heading and I simply have lost the will to discuss those unmentionables with you. Better men than me have tried and failed. You win.

Some of the kids forget that though sadly, they've been brainwashed like the good little puppies they are. Basically if they're fed shit for long enough they start to think that's how it should be. Incidentally I'm still not sold on this idea of how we were sliding in to oblivion and Ashley saved us. Most Premiership clubs have a managed debt and we were no exception, I've read nothing anywhere that fortifies this alleged downward financial spiral we were supposedly on. All I've heard is hearsay and accusations. Truly staggering

A picture paints a thousand words I'll have the same bet with you. I'll pay £40 to a charity of your choice if I lose. You stop posting for 6 months if I win. I don't believe that's the same bet But instead of paying both £40 an account of Pud and I, why not just agree with Pud's £80? Incidentally why do you want me to stop posting? Sick of the fact that I won't agree with the complete bollocks you're preaching? As for January being 'rebuilding' we bought Leon Best for fuck's sake. So I've got to agree to Puds bet but you dont have to agree to mine. :icon_lol: :icon_lol: Says it all really Craig I'd match the same said terms that Pud outlined to you. I have no problem with sticking £120 in the SBR foundation. In intrigued as to why you'd want me to stop posting mind... Im simply showing your gobshite up for the gobshite it is. You mocked away because I didnt agree to the exact terms of puds bet, but you are doing exactly the same to the terms of my bet. Very sad No what's sad is that you won't put your money where your mouth is whereas Pud and I clearly will. And you're suggesting I'm a gobshite? I beginning to think you may well be HTL under a different guise. Not since him have I seen such a delusional and contrary character... Thats a no then Craig

I don't think even CT would claim he hasn't done anything wrong. Basically the bloke got out of his depth. He thought he was laying good foundations to take the club forward over a period of years whether that be increasing the family section or trying to put some order to transfers, youth policy etc. Had Harry come instead of Keegan it may have turned out much better, but once the shit storm of Keegangate kicked off he has constantly being on the back foot. For me he gets one last summer to prove he's serious about taking us forward.

OK Howabout August '09 http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=658375 I dont quite get your point. If your asking if the last 18 months have been a rollercoaster of emotions and views, the answer is yes and I dont think I've ever denied that. (Im sure you'll find it if I have) I have hated Ashley, protested against him, joined NUSC, left NUSC, hoped a sale would go through, when we were up for sale, and now considering all that has happened and no shining knights on the Horizon, consider it a good idea to get behind the club and see if the 60th richest man in England really does want to now take us forward. Thats a grown up, considered view of events, which most Newcastle fans seem to share. You on the other hand seem to want to remain the angry man compiling compendiums. I dont know where that gets you other than bitter and twisted.....But hey ho, each to their own. There's tens of thousands of people that still get behind the team as much as they ever have and support the club 100%, through thick and thin. Me included. Correct me if I'm wrong but you're not one of those. Weren't you on a total boycott...until we look like we might win the championship. Still havent been as would many others if they could have got out of there three year deal Most of us don't have to back-peddle to be able to celebrate promotion. We'll be happy about going back up while fully recognising that nothing whatsoever has changed at the club and the outlook is as grim as it ever was. No back peddling here, time moves on. The outlook is anything but grim. Most realise we would at the very least entered administration under Shepherd. I understand you have some backtracking to do if you're going to stop your boycott and enjoy our return like the more dedicated fans, but don't be telling us we're wrong to recognise what a grade A twat Ashley is when you've been one of the most vocal of his opponents. You've honestly got to let go and move on. We all know he fucked up, he's said sorry, he's tried to sell, nobody wants us..... Seriously, you are as obsessed with Ashley as Leazes is with Freddy.

There were lots of possible best courses of action but that still doesnt excuse you and others re-writing history in these sort of debates. Shepherd should have appointed a David Dein type figure when we were succesful. That was the biggest clanger in our recent history. That could have made us a regular top four side instead of a crap, overpaid team scrapping round the foot of the table. But all of that is water under the bridge and there is no point constantly harking backwards. He's now created stability and got us heading back to the prem. No one else wants us.

OK Howabout August '09 http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=658375 I dont quite get your point. If your asking if the last 18 months have been a rollercoaster of emotions and views, the answer is yes and I dont think I've ever denied that. (Im sure you'll find it if I have) I have hated Ashley, protested against him, joined NUSC, left NUSC, hoped a sale would go through, when we were up for sale, and now considering all that has happened and no shining knights on the Horizon, consider it a good idea to get behind the club and see if the 60th richest man in England really does want to now take us forward. Thats a grown up, considered view of events, which most Newcastle fans seem to share. You on the other hand seem to want to remain the angry man compiling compendiums. I dont know where that gets you other than bitter and twisted.....But hey ho, each to their own.

They've said sorry.... get over it. Didnt Shepherd call Newcastle women dogs and laugh at the fans because he could rip them off with £5 tat shirts and then slag off Shearer???? When? And even if they did a snivelling, mealy-mouthed, insincere apology hardly makes up for the long-term damage they've done to NUFC. Dodgy, untrustworthy, classless liars who've made a packet selling sweatshop-made polyester tat to chavs, with no connection to the area? No thanks. Long term damage has yet to be proved and could infact be quite the opposite. So you will only settle for Geordie owners? So getting relegated is good for a club? That'll be a comfort to Hull and Portsmouth fans. Given the choice, I'd rather have owners who had an emotional connection to the club. You said long term damage. I dont yet see any long term damage. Infact a lot would say getting back up leaner and meaner is a blessing. But please tell me what the long term damage is? I am trying to understand some of the doom mongers, honest. Are you naive enough to assume that if we're back in the Premiership next season, it'll be just as it was at the start of the 08/09 season and it'll be like the period September 2008 - May 2009 never happened? Christ almighty... I simply just asked what the long term damage will be. Fucking simple question really Lost millions, gone from being a club that played in europe something like 13 seasons out of 16 to one that should be "satisfied" with 17th, one that sold out every home game to one with 10000 empty seats sometimes. The long term damage is that we've gone from being regularly top 6-8 and attracting top, top players to one that is a million miles away from that. Fucking simple answer really And all that happened after Ashley. You have just simply highlighted the usual "sheep" hysteria. We were dying a death under Fat Fred, heading for relegation under Fat Sam, possible going Bust.......NOT REGULARLY FINISHING IN THE TOP 6. Those days had goooooooooonnnnnnnnnneeeeeee!!!!!! The last roll of the dice was future cash on Owen and look what happened there. Seriously, try and discuss things from reality and you will have much more chance of convincing people.