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1. Very good. 2. Right. We're in agreement then that some form of action against al quaeda/Islamic terrorism was a necessity post 9/11. Getting certain Islamic countries that harbour/export terrorism to cooperate via talks I believe would be a very unrealistic proposition for various reasons. For one thing the worldwide sympathy you talk of doesn't exist as China and Russia do not view this issue in the same light as the U.S. and Britain. Secondly the talks didn't work with Middle Eastern players (Iraq) and still don't (Iran). You joke that you wouldn't get a second term but that is a point worth taking up as anyone who adopted these policies wouldn't gain a second term. It's just not a realistic proposal unless we live in an alternate universe. With the Taliban occupying significant territory and harbouring Al Quaeda operatives in Afghanistan I don't see how the NATO mission in Afghanistan could have been realistically avoided. I'll assume you are ignorant of the situation in Afghanistan prior to 2001, because if you have knowledge of it and advocated leaving it in that state then you are guilty not only of moral cowardice but gross stupidity also. Any 'manhunt' of Al Quaeda would have lead there anyway, and with the hopelessly fragile and corrupt government in place and in the midst of a civil war, any diplomacy would have been an exercise in futility; the UF needed military support urgently. I would like to hear your arguments that non-intervention in Afghanistan would be a good strategy for the region/world. Given your statement 1. quoted there, your opposition to intervention in Afghanistan seems illogical at best. So we were going in before the planes hit the towers were we? Tell me why we didnt invade Saudi Arabia again?

The Haynes manual for the Ford Escort circa 1978 Thought I'd save fortune when the head gasket went.....instead I never drove my first car ever again...lulled into a falsse sense of proficency by the "in depth" diagrams of the engine block

The union of the crowns was in 1603....Scotland and England had the same king during the civil war. The civil war was a nationwide punch up to establish an evil old bigot as ruler of Great Britain, as opposed to a bunch of inbred Scottish aristocrats. It was between two factions fighting for control, not two different nations. Canadians...I wouldnt say you're all thick but one half of the country speaks French and the other half fuckin let them There were conflicts between England and Scotland after the union between the two kingdoms though. Both before and after the English Civil War, which you refer to. The clue's in the name there btw The conflicts were in a similar vein to the civil war though.....the 1715 and 1745 rebellions (which I presume you are referring to) had a hugely (overwheimingly Highland) Scottish flavour to them, that is undeniable. But they were in essence just more skirmismishes about who ruled Great Britain; the Hanovarians or the Stewart dynasty. At the last ever pitched battle in the British Isles at Culloden in 1745 there were more "Scottish" soldiers (recruited from the heavily Anglicised lowlands) in Cumberland's army than there were fighting for the Jacobite rebels. And if Cromwell fought the "English" civil war why did he spend large parts of it in Ireland helping to open the gaping wounds that are still bleeding almost 500 years later? I can see what you're getting at but for me the wars of the 16-1700s were religion-inspired power grabbing by men who wanted control of all of what is now the U.K. and Ireland.

The union of the crowns was in 1603....Scotland and England had the same king during the civil war. The civil war was a nationwide punch up to establish an evil old bigot as ruler of Great Britain, as opposed to a bunch of inbred Scottish aristocrats. It was between two factions fighting for control, not two different nations. Canadians...I wouldnt say you're all thick but one half of the country speaks French and the other half fuckin let them

Shola must've been fuckin close to an England cap around 2002/3......banging them in for the under 21s, at Leverkusen, Anfield etc...at the time Sven was regularly picking no more than 3 strikers in the squad...Owen,Heskey and Darius fuckin Vassel The most frustrating player I've ever seen, even before his hip problems...with his size and athelticism he couldve been a sort of poor mans Drogba but he's often looked as if he'd rather be anywhere on earth than on a football pitch.....fuck knows why, is it just the same side of the "Help I've been burgled!....no hang on, my flats just a fuckin shititp!" coin?

Well in that case I suggest that the history of your mother country isnt that high on the curriculum in Canada then.....the land of the Scots has never been inavded and conquered by any other nation.....it's been colonised to a small extent by the two greatest Empires the world has seen but conquered by no fucker. Bit like Thailand

Yanks It's International Burn the Koran day actually. Love the way the American's like to get us all involved in their retarded activities and sports. Re: Canada. If we compare the US to England, then that makes Canada Scotland. Which is pretty accurate imo. ummmm...no, A. canada has never been conquered by the US and is a sovereign state of its own B. while we share geography, cultural differences are far greater than similarities "conquered" in what way Mr Mooseshagger?

Costanza is playing for the Swiss

One each Kenny Miller

Stevie may know loads about NUFC but if I were him I'd give up the international predictions....didnt he say England would do great things in South Africa too?

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Aye... that Pedro was a fuckin lunatic right enough

If you go back to the days of the 12 o'clock kick offs it was always far scarier going there than going to the village of the damned for me....worst time was an evening game in the league cup around the time Keegan was first here....big lumps of concrete being hoyed over into our bit

Newcastle Online.....if someone farts in the comfort of their own home whilst perusing said forum are they also banned forever, as I've just been for the heinous crime of posting the youtube of Pedro scoring 3 v the mackems in 85? Yeah good one lads....the copyright for a piece of local news footage from the best part of 30 years ago? Do you fear incurring the wrath of the huge corporate behemoth of broadcasting that is TyneTees? Theres a nice little drop down too: All seems a bit of an overreaction to me.....where do they stand on the hanging debate?...for all posters using the forum whilst not dressed in the latest first team strip? (including "premier league badges on shirt") I very seldom post on there anyway, and as a first offence it's hardly up there with pegging the host's missus....are they all a bit touchy or is it a just a bad time for them at the moment?

Is this the one in someones front room in a coronation street terraced house round the corner from Goodison?

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hmmmm.....remind anyone of another awkward customer from Marseilles?..... ffs don't tell Christmas Tree

"cutting off your nose to spite your face" cheers hog and fist

And me cheers thanks etc etc

I've had this with you before...its not They are both (that is the Geordie and the Lowlands Scots dialects, because thats what they are,dialects) from the Anglian root of what is now called called Old English. The oldest existing poem in Old English is by a bard called Aneirin, where he describes a raid form old Northumbria down to Catterick. You can see what remains of it it in the National Museum of Scotland in Edinburgh, where it was written 1400 years ago. Yes, indeed you're correct. What I should be saying is that the Scottish dialect is heavily infuenced from Northumbrian Old English 1400 years ago Northumbria strecthed from Edinburgh to North Yorkshire so the people on both sides of the Tweed spoke pretty much the same language. The big change came after the Battle of Carham in 1018 when Malcom II,King of Scots, defeated a Northumbrian army on the banks of the Tweed between Kelso and Coldstream. Its a little known punch up, but it basically created the Tweed as the border between England and Scotland, as it remains to this day. This is the point where the common language split into different dialects, but still using the same words..e.g. bairn, cuddy, lowse etc etc...to the modern ear those north of the Tweed got a dialect with much in common with other parts of Scotland but it is very different from the dialect in Glasgow or Inverness etc. The Gaelic speeaking kings of Scotland, who had been seeking to expand into the Lothians and Borders for around 100 years before the battle, were completely alien to the natives of the Tweed valley, who had been under the influence of the prince bishops at Durham Cathedral (the real power in Nothumbria,despite the Dukes at Bamburgh) for 400 years at that point. And it took a long time for that influence to truly fade; up until the mid 1800s the middle arch on the old bridge at Berwick marked the border between Berwick town council and land owned and goverened by the Church of England at Durham

The present crop of players love their wages more than they love the game, that is why they need fuckin motivating to play for their country. Rooney and co can have as many photo shoots with them draped or painted with the St George's cross as they want, its all just fuckin lip service. Not fit to lace Terry Butcher's boots, any of them. As was said after the world cup, we've tried every type of manager since 1990 and none of them have come anywhere near what that group of players acheived. Its largley the players who should take the blame, spoiled by being millionaires at 21 if you ask me.

Sniffs mate, take it from me there is no comparison. Bafra is simply the most gifted of the three musketeers at Clairfontayne: Benzema, Nasri and Bafra. It is like a dream to me that he will wear our shirt. I think it will only take 5 games for you to see what I mean. Use the force Luke. P. Ok obi wan, in view of that little gem of wisdom (source?) why didnt Wenger make a bid for him at any point in the last 4 years or so? and is it Bafra to his friends or is that just what he's been christened on't'internet? I don't propose to know the mind of Wenger, sorry. But I'd hazzard a guess that he thinks Nasri is a more composed hard working player, with nearly the same skills. Wenger has said good things about a whole bunch of French players, but that doesn't mean he has to go out and buy every one of them or there is something wrong. Psychologically, Nasri is ahead of the three and really gets on with it although allegedly is a pain in the arse as well, but hasn't the forte for histrionics a la Bafra. Wenger has also failed to buy a proper keeper for how long is it now? And another thing, VP isn't the answer to tight games like Drogba, Berb or Tevez are. The thing is, regardless of how talented he is (and its plain that'll be "very") you seem to be overlooking what we do know about him.....he's broke his contract at two clubs by just walking out and he's so pleased to be playing in front of us at SJP he' signed for the whole of this season......sorry to piss on your parade but I'm with sniffer on this....he's trouble and is using us as a stepping stone...probably to fuckin Arsenal Prozac? Denial isn't a river in Africa old son I hope he's better than Cruyff,plays for us until he's 40 and lives in a flat above a shop in fuckin Benwell but its all highly unlikely

Sniffs mate, take it from me there is no comparison. Bafra is simply the most gifted of the three musketeers at Clairfontayne: Benzema, Nasri and Bafra. It is like a dream to me that he will wear our shirt. I think it will only take 5 games for you to see what I mean. Use the force Luke. P. Ok obi wan, in view of that little gem of wisdom (source?) why didnt Wenger make a bid for him at any point in the last 4 years or so? and is it Bafra to his friends or is that just what he's been christened on't'internet? I don't propose to know the mind of Wenger, sorry. But I'd hazzard a guess that he thinks Nasri is a more composed hard working player, with nearly the same skills. Wenger has said good things about a whole bunch of French players, but that doesn't mean he has to go out and buy every one of them or there is something wrong. Psychologically, Nasri is ahead of the three and really gets on with it although allegedly is a pain in the arse as well, but hasn't the forte for histrionics a la Bafra. Wenger has also failed to buy a proper keeper for how long is it now? And another thing, VP isn't the answer to tight games like Drogba, Berb or Tevez are. The thing is, regardless of how talented he is (and its plain that'll be "very") you seem to be overlooking what we do know about him.....he's broke his contract at two clubs by just walking out and he's so pleased to be playing in front of us at SJP he' signed for the whole of this season......sorry to piss on your parade but I'm with sniffer on this....he's trouble and is using us as a stepping stone...probably to fuckin Arsenal

Sniffs mate, take it from me there is no comparison. Bafra is simply the most gifted of the three musketeers at Clairfontayne: Benzema, Nasri and Bafra. It is like a dream to me that he will wear our shirt. I think it will only take 5 games for you to see what I mean. Use the force Luke. P. Ok obi wan, in view of that little gem of wisdom (source?) why didnt Wenger make a bid for him at any point in the last 4 years or so? and is it Bafra to his friends or is that just what he's been christened on't'internet?

How many players come out with this shit when they move clubs though? Fair play to the lad if it's true but it all comes with a mine full of salt for me.