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Doherty plays guitar and co-wrote most of the Libertines stuff and as far as I believe wrote most of the Babyshambles songs. Hes classed as good enough a singer to have colaborated with other singers. As for Winehouse not making her money out of being a junkie, whats the song shes most well known for about again? As far as talent goes I think both have way more than they deserve based on the way they chose to waste it. Listen pal, I know about music. Doherty's guitar playing is absolutely abysmal, the worst I've heard from anyone who makes a living as a musician. As I said, he cannot play any instrument, "to a standard where he could be considered a great talent," by anyone who knows anything about playing musical instruments, that is. I'm well aware Doherty wrote Libertines/Babyshambles songs. That material isn't great. None of his songs captured the imagination of the fans of popular music in the way a song like 'Rehab' did. Qualitatively Winehouse's songwriting is much better than Doherty's, whose fans can only point to the occasional near-wit of, "an englishman in a baseball cap." Whoop de fucking do. Anyone with ears and a functioning brain can tell that Amy Winehouse is so far superior a singer to the likes of Doherty as to not even warrant comparison. Winehouse used her songwriting and vocal talent to create a hit that referenced her struggle with alcoholism. Does that constitute making money out of being a junkie? Now you just sound stupid. And I can only assume your attitude and comments toward this woman stem from a deep jealousy of the wealth she accrued through her talent. She may be dead, but she'll make more money in death than you'll ever have a sniff at, unless you win the lottery. So all that leaves you is snide comments. Type away. What a wonderful culture we live in. Do you?..are you a musician or a "just" a fan? Thing is you don't need to be talented to be successful. I'd much rather listen to anything Doherty has done than anything Winehouse has done. Thats just personal taste. That doesn't mean that Doherty is more talented though does it? For me though Doherty is very much in keeping with what you might call classic English guitarist/ songwriters going back to the likes of those 2 from the Beatles, Ray Davies, the better glam bands like T Rex Slade etc through punk and new wave where you get Weller and Costello up to Noel Gallagher.. Some of these were more talented than others but they could all write good songs in what I'd call an very "English" way. Amy Winehouse was Jewish British and sang like an African American....fair enough in a way and not uncommon for someone from here to imitate the yanks, but for me she was a bit inauthentic considering her background. Maybe she just imititated what she heard growing up, which is again fair enough in a way. But she always struck me as trying a bit too hard to be something she wasnt. Put me off her a bit. But she did write good songs. She''ll be missed musically and obviously by her family a great deal. A sad loss. As for the rest of your post chill the fuck out old son its Sunday lunch time I'm a musician, not a particularly talented one. If you want to quantify my ability, I can play classical pieces (guitar) of a grade 6/7 standard. I mainly play electric guitar atm though, transcribing blues records note-for-note (Freddie King, Albert King, so on). I can read and write music and know some music theory. Basically, if you put me through musical aptitude tests against your average non-musician, I would win comfortably. I'm better qualified to judge musical talent than, say, PeasePud and Ant. You can call that arrogant, but it's true. Doherty's guitar playing is particularly bad. There are some musicians who play in an idiosyncratic style which isn't technically correct, but sounds great. Doherty's is just plain shit. The lyrics I don't care for. He's not worthy of comparison to Mccartney and some of the other songwriters you've listed there; even the likes of Noel Gallagher I would say are substantially more talented than Doherty. The fact is, the Libertines and Doherty built a very devoted fanbase via the internet, arranging gigs at a fan's flat and so on. That is great marketing. The music press picked up on this and hyped them a lot, it set them apart from the average shitty-indie-guitar-band that we currently see no end of. They were not a band of particular merit: the material and musicianship weren't extraordinary by any measure. They played on their hedonistic drug-fuelled image, the fans lapped it up. When Doherty started fucking Kate Moss--an important stage in every musician's career--his fame exploded rapidly. The material I've seen him promote as a solo artist, and the performances of it, have been shit. He is a person whose success has more to do with hype, fame and marketing than talent. Fair enough, but as I say talent doesnt always equal success and vice versa. And as you say, he wasnt really that popular either before getting in the tabloids via Moss. But a couple of years back on a Friday night I went to see the Kaiser Chiefs and then the following Monday went to the same venue to see Babyshambles. That Ricky from the Chiefs is a good frontman if you have a fondness for the "performing gibbon on amphetamine" school of showmanship..he and they were ok, but he seemed to be trying a bit too hard for my liking. Cut to Monday, and whatever it is you need to create an actual riot just by apppearing on stage then there is no doubt Doherty had/has it in spades.He was straight for that tour, the band were tight and he sang like an angel. I think his stage charisma is very underrated, he's just got it iyam, in a way that the likes if Ricky thingy just hasn't, for all his running around the stage like a fuckin loon. Very impressed with your mucsical credentials btw, nowt wrong with blowing your own trumpet

The Sun stated on their front page yesterday that moslem terrorists were responsible. Not an uncommon comment from millions of people on Friday afternoon I'd guess, but for a national newspaper to print it as "fact" is grossly irresponsible iyam.

Doherty plays guitar and co-wrote most of the Libertines stuff and as far as I believe wrote most of the Babyshambles songs. Hes classed as good enough a singer to have colaborated with other singers. As for Winehouse not making her money out of being a junkie, whats the song shes most well known for about again? As far as talent goes I think both have way more than they deserve based on the way they chose to waste it. Listen pal, I know about music. Doherty's guitar playing is absolutely abysmal, the worst I've heard from anyone who makes a living as a musician. As I said, he cannot play any instrument, "to a standard where he could be considered a great talent," by anyone who knows anything about playing musical instruments, that is. I'm well aware Doherty wrote Libertines/Babyshambles songs. That material isn't great. None of his songs captured the imagination of the fans of popular music in the way a song like 'Rehab' did. Qualitatively Winehouse's songwriting is much better than Doherty's, whose fans can only point to the occasional near-wit of, "an englishman in a baseball cap." Whoop de fucking do. Anyone with ears and a functioning brain can tell that Amy Winehouse is so far superior a singer to the likes of Doherty as to not even warrant comparison. Winehouse used her songwriting and vocal talent to create a hit that referenced her struggle with alcoholism. Does that constitute making money out of being a junkie? Now you just sound stupid. And I can only assume your attitude and comments toward this woman stem from a deep jealousy of the wealth she accrued through her talent. She may be dead, but she'll make more money in death than you'll ever have a sniff at, unless you win the lottery. So all that leaves you is snide comments. Type away. What a wonderful culture we live in. Do you?..are you a musician or a "just" a fan? Thing is you don't need to be talented to be successful. I'd much rather listen to anything Doherty has done than anything Winehouse has done. Thats just personal taste. That doesn't mean that Doherty is more talented though does it? For me though Doherty is very much in keeping with what you might call classic English guitarist/ songwriters going back to the likes of those 2 from the Beatles, Ray Davies, the better glam bands like T Rex Slade etc through punk and new wave where you get Weller and Costello up to Noel Gallagher.. Some of these were more talented than others but they could all write good songs in what I'd call an very "English" way. Amy Winehouse was Jewish British and sang like an African American....fair enough in a way and not uncommon for someone from here to imitate the yanks, but for me she was a bit inauthentic considering her background. Maybe she just imititated what she heard growing up, which is again fair enough in a way. But she always struck me as trying a bit too hard to be something she wasnt. Put me off her a bit. But she did write good songs. She''ll be missed musically and obviously by her family a great deal. A sad loss. As for the rest of your post chill the fuck out old son its Sunday lunch time

We should just rely on Best then, as he has proven he can score in the premier league? It may be an underwhelming signing but he has a good reputation amongst the PSG fans I know. Really?....I thought he'd had a poor season, and that was why theyre getting rid. Wonder how much Pardew has seen of him?....couple of youtube clips?

That may be true, and if you look at the bomb yesterday afternoon then you could say the IRA tried to murder the entire conservative cabinet at Brighton in a similar manner. But the IRA didnt follow it up by shooting dead 80 odd innocent kids in cold blood. They were (and some still remain) amoral murdering bastards but this is on a different planet. This appaears to my completely amateur eyes as the work of a madman, psycopath call it what you want, am not sure of the correct term but you get what I mean.

Because they think they still need it? I assume youre in favor of scrapping trident as Britain can't afford it? Yes. I dont think we need Trident nuclear carrying submarines, no. We have enough land based nuclear missiles to put off invaders. (I think both Labour and Conservatives agree btw which is why the decision keeps getting fudged along from one government to the next). Where in the country are the uk's land based nuclear weapons then? I think you might find the only deterrent we have are sat on board two or 3 submarines. Are you suggesting that Pakistan and India can afford a deterrant but we cant?

Nick, thats not the same question asked twice, thats two different questions.

That's a very good pont. It is, and it means who gets allocated just goes straight to "loyalty points". As said by most, an appalling decision but is anyone that surpised coming from these fuckers? And to jamouse who's claiming that it will stop fans misbehaving as the club will be able to identify them...the last time there were mags' mugshots in the Chron there was at least 2 season ticket holders amongst them.

Why is it Arsenal won one double and an FA cup between the mid fifties and 86 when George Graham turned up and none of their then fans were whingeing about "won nothing for x years"? They're entitled to win the square root of fuck all, same as us, unless they earn it. Their sense of entitlement is a mystery to me or anyone else who can remember them boring the shit out of everyone for decades. The media and luvvie types love them because they're manager is a "sophisticated French philosopher blah blah...". So fuckin what?...sure on a good day they're great to watch, but recently "Wengerball" has been exposed as passionless tippy tappy pointlessness as it's stopped being able to overwhelm teams who are a bit physical with them.

Fair one, so do you hate the Iggy/New York Dolls Primals most, or the Acid House/Weatherall ones, or the Black Crowes/Stones ones the most?....there is a lot to really have a go at about them... Their stuff from the late nineties onwards (since Mani took up bass duties) has been consistently pretty good iyam. Tbh, I've seen them twice before and Gillespie's live vocals are,being charitable, shite. But am looking forward to seeing them locally.....no more than half an hour on the train

I think we are one of the first top division clubs in the last 20 years who are truly living withion our means....with mountains of cash to spare too. If we do manage to stay up next season it will be a small miracle for all the wrong reasons (its more than possible if key players stay fit for most of the season iyam) and will only encourage Ashley to attempt to continue treading water for the next decade or so. Is this why ST prices have been frozen for 10 years?...

miaow! I'd like to slate the musical taste of your youth but as you are more than likely still in it do you think you'll be wanting to see any of your current favourites in 20 years time?....

Yup me too. Saw them at Olympia doing the old and it was magnificent. They are also their own support act playing 40 minutes of "greatest hits" Seeing them again in Brighton on the 22cnd. Cant wait Was tellling a 23 year old from Glasgow at work today that am off to see the Scream Team at the end of this month....he said he'd never fuckin heard of them!! http://www.campbestival.net/media/Camp-Bes..._1310398212.jpg

I think Brooks will,in her own way, 'plead the fifth' as the yanks call it. She has to appear as shes a uk citizen, but can't be forced to answer as shes under police investigation. In the states if you appear before a senate comittee you have to swear on oath,like a witness in a jury trial. But they have the get out of the 5th amendment (see Oliver North, arms for hostages.) Brooks is probably thinking. 'every cloud etc...' at the moment. James Murdoch paid off celebs to keep quiet yet denies knowing the full extent of the hacking going on. They may be able to land some punches on him. I think the old man will know too much for an the likes of Keith Vaz though.

I think Cameron would be toast if Labour had a leader capable of scoring from 6 yards out with just the keeper to beat. The chief constable craftily knifed him last night when he said one of the main reasons he resigned was his close relationship with the ex deputy editor gadgie. So where does that leave Cameron,if his former employee,the also recently arrested Andy Coulson, is charged with fuck knows what over this? As I say, I think even a Shola standard leader could put this chance away. But I think Ed is more in the mould of Rob Mcdonald....2 and a bit days before the last pmq's before the summer recess (someone correct me if thats wrong?) Last chance to bury this empty vessel PR stunt cunt for good. Make sure youve got your shooting boots on Ed....

I feel like that fuckin Jimmy Cricket....."c'mere....theres more"! The Chief Constable of the Met has resigned http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14180043

Suggestions that she's been arrested to stop her appearing before the select comittee on Tuesday and in doing so protecting the very people who arrested her, the corrupt bastards. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14178051

Sammy's gonna get ya! I've played against him before and lets just say he was so shite that only Newcastle would try to develop him. Fucking Mag vermin, fucking hate yee. One of the better ones, too. They can't help themselves in the end though. They are an oppressed people, bitter as fuck. Ask any Tyne shipyard worker about them then stand well back from the blast. Still going on at one shipyard mate.....am working beside 3 of them and their (reasonable) attitude to me changed the day the fixtures came out. It's like they wear a "mask" of normality but can't help letting it slip to display the enormous chip on their collective shoulders. Can't remember when the result of the game on the 20th has been so important for me personally, rather than for the supporters in general and obviously the club.

I've typed this verbatum from today's Observer. Their website is fuckin shite. The full article (I've just noticed) appears on the PA website here: http://www.pressassociation.com/component/...from=sport-news Is the language of this not a bit strong for a manager who is at best tolerated by the vast majority of supporters and viewed by some as a weak puppet figure? I don't condone going on to the pitch but it started as a bit of light hearted over exurberance by those not old enough and too drunk to know better. Pardew sounds like some self righteous mackem prick on here rather than the manager of the football club. If you look at the full article even fuckin Llambias stops short of tarring us all with the same brush: not that you'd read that bit in the Observer. Cunts Anyone see or hear of a bit of a ruck near the station with apparently some of Boro's mob?...evening out for more than a couple of the North East's club's?....

Wenger seems to have ruled out a move for a left back to replace Clichy: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...ael-Clichy.html Things could change of course, Wenger may be trying to be cute in a inflated market, but it doesn't seem likely. Maybe if Liverpool get rid of those that are no longer required they'll come in for him. I'm beginning to think he may well see out his contract though..for a player to move you need a buyer and there doesn't appear to be one at the moment. 7 mill for a player in the last year of his contract is (intentionally) a piss take and may well be putting clubs off till next summer, or perhaps till January when a club still in the champions league may come in. Just cant see him signing the new contract, its more than likely a Bosman for him now.

blyme Deadman is your real name Finbar Saunders?!

Charlie Gilmour got 16 months took his overnighght bag into the dock http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14150800

Some misguided souls of my aquaintance, desperate for a bit of black and white action, are going to Utrecht next weekend to watch Joey and the reserves in action.....isn't Utrecht some sort of modernist concrete nightmare with Northern Europe's most violent football hooligans?....hope so anyway

Apparently the ownwers of the winning ticket are a couple are from the Falkirk area....if anyone in particular needs a bit of good fortune, it's probably a couple from the Falkirk area....

When I heard about this last night I was thinking it would be great if this latest accusation turns out to be true as it would go down like a shit sandwich over there. If James Murdoch is proven to have been complicit in all this could he be jailed in the US if it ended up in a guilty verdict at a trial?...is there an offence he could be charged with?..