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It was aimed at me, and I can explain....the lads involved used to go on a lot of "benders" i.e. piss ups and they got this label attached to them. One of them lives near me, and used to come to games regularly. Hes a 50 something 18 stone stella drinking psychopath, but he does have a nasty side to him too...

Wasnt at Derby, listened to the unfolding horror via "Sport on 2"....thats Radio 2 MW kids, no real digital tv or radio coverage on Saturday afternoon, back then Jeff Stelling was still stealing womens underwear off washing lines in Hartlepool.

Looks like somebody's found the season reveiw video....this is shockingly crap and utterly brilliant at the same time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeVjOcKWxNs&feature=related

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Well I'll leave it up to Leazes to educate you then, you lucky lad

I was there, jammed a ticket on the Berwick supporters bus. They got tickets for the last away games of every season back then.....dont think they even exist now...some lads I've ment since then say they got in after Terry Mac came out of the players entrance where they were hanging around on the off chance and gave them some spares the club had for the directors box. The NO is story is great, but it doesn't really mention the level of violence going on troughout the game and the first pitch invasion that had to be cleared by police horses. On the way back we stopped off in Gateshead where some mackem was giving the bus driver some shit in a kebab shop, so the bus driver put this fucker's head through the shop window. The driver was an obviously sober employee of a company called Scottish Citylink, in full uniform at the time, but he was also an ex member of the lengendary "Bender Crew". Ask your dads abouth them kids, or Leazes That game and the Inter game at the San Siro are the most intense experiances I've had following Newcastle....apart from being in the clock stand at roker once, but we didnt last in there long....

Ben Arfa's been a naughty garcon.... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/03/uk-soccer-euro-france-idUKBRE8620GL20120703?rpc=401&feedType=RSS&feedName=sportsNews&rpc=401

Can we do a swap deal, Madras for Cabayeaye?

Its Levy. Clubs dont trust washed up ex players with their cash anymore. Apart from Man Utd, obviously.

All thats true, but Dekka and Pardew have both been in print in the last few months blatantly trying to sell him. The see him as this summer's Andy Carroll. Its difficult to say if a deals been fixed, a lot of things have come out of the blue transfer wise lately at NUFC.

What a pile of shite. He contradicts himeself....so there was no "golden age" of English international football before the premier league's foreign invasion....it strikes me as theres not been much of one since

Soooo...Twente think they can get more than 12mill for him?.....I really cant see it being from Boroussia, so if theres another club in for him willing to pay that then fair play play to them. I dont think this is over yet for NUFC...always a good tactic to walk away, if you're confident of them coming back.....

When was that mate?.. Went to one of Oasis's last ever gigs at the BIC in Bournemouth and its plainly that "type" they attract because it was the same at Hampshire CC's Rosebowl a few years before that, with the added bonus of a planned meet between Southampton and Portsmouth football mobs. That was actually the most violent public event I've ever attended. I'm seeing them at V fest at Chelmsford where am hoping the vast majority of the twats will have the Roses thing out of their system and its only the trustafarian-student types that V usually attracts (?...not been before, just what I heard...) that will be in attandance...

J Allen (Swansea), C Bellamy (Liverpool), R Bertrand (Chelsea), J Butland (Birmingham), S Caulker (Tottenham), T Cleverley (Manchester United), J Cork (Southampton), C Dawson (West Brom), R Giggs (Manchester United), A Ramsey (Arsenal), M Richards (Manchester City), D Rose (Tottenham), S Sinclair (Swansea), M Sordell (Bolton), J Steele (Middlesbrough), D Sturridge (Chelsea), N Taylor (Swansea), J Tomkins (West Ham) http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/18675124

It was huge where we lived in Scotland (Kelso) when I was a kid....its a tiny place,less than 8000 people but it had 2 lodges....where the old man was born which is a village of less than 500 it was almost fuckin compulsory to join the lodge there. When the old man went back to work there after he had finished his national service he worked for the local bulider, a prominent local mason, and got on famously with the boss's son, until the day the son turned round and said (sounds just like what JawD posted) "have you ever thought about joining the masons?"...think the old man just looked at him before saying "I've just done 2 years in the jungle with the Army...Its put me off joining fuckin anything,ever,again..!" That was the last day the boss's son ever talked to him, or the boss for that matter...petty doesnt really cover the attitude back then, don't know what its like now... My Grandfather was also a mason, although not really a practising one. Think it all came to an end one day when he'd drunk too much whisky and ended up in the cells for the night for battering some unfortunate individual. At the Sherriff Court the Sherriff addressed him: "You were seen in the town square in Duns the worse for drink causing a nuisance,being violent to others etc etc...what have you got to say for yourself?"...after some consideration Grandad replied " Well I wasnt as pissed as you were at the masons ball last year...." that was it,the gavel slammed the desk, he was taken down and got 30 days for contempt of court Dont think its as strong round there now, same as anywhere else I reckon, its a died a death a bit in recent years.....Leazes attitude is common by the sounds of it

Those pointing out Spain are boring have a point.....on the days that Arsenal dont click into gear completley a gooner ST holder of my aquaintance says theyre sterile,dull and passionless....iyam he should know better as hes been going since the late 70s and can remember Arsenal at their long ball worst, there again, his ST is 1200 quid a year, more than twice what mine costs. Spains dominance of possesion can be a bit dull, but that is essentially how they defend i.e. if the opposisition dont have the ball, they cant score, which is about as easy on the eye as England not bothering with the ball too much v Italy, but makes the chances of actually winning a game a lot greater..Hodgson take note etc.. Spain struggled to break a couple of sides down who had their tactics spot on, especially Portugal and Italy in the first game. Too little emphasis is placed on the sometimes excellent tactics of the opponenets, in the BBC studio especially. Too much glib generalisation from those who should know better makes for an ill informed general public...that'll be you Lawro, and any ex Liverpool centre half of the early 80s who criticises any team for playing dull possesion football really needs to have a fuckin word with themselves. Spain weren't at their brilliant best for a couple of games and their names mud, you shouldnt be able to make shit like that up, but obviously am wrong in that thought. Spain are like Arsenal, only better, by a long way as well. They actually win things. Not that I'd criticise Wenger for that, with his budget and the new stadium to move to and pay off his record over the last few years is briliant iyam, and you cant come up a team thats been recruited by billioanires and paid accordingly in international football, you've got to deal with the cards you've got. Thats the other thing, this generation of Spanish players is the best any country that I've seen have by light years. But theyre only human and dont do it every time, but thats the only way theyre like any other team.

Cant compare different era's, its pointless tbh. Youve got to be 50 to remember the Brazilians of 1970 and it has to be pointed out that was the first world cup to be telelvised world wide, and the first major world event of any kind to be broadcast in colour. Some will tell you thats why it sticks in the mind so vividly of those who saw it on the box. Earlier era's had different tactics, poorer fitness levels and medical care, and heavy,cumbersome equipment....the boots and balls pre the 1970s hadnt changed much in a century and apparently it was like kicking a cannonball in pit boots, compared with a balloon and carpet slippers nowadays. The great players of previous era's would no doubt be great players in any era, for me its difficult to say that of some of the fancy dans of today, but thing is we'll never know. Anyone saying Spain are the best ever can't really justify it iyam. But theres no doubt Spain are among the best sides in history, theyre playing football from a different planet. Christ knows how theyve got such a crop of brilliant players all coming through together. Either by accident or design its pretty much unprecedented the amount of talent they have at their disposal, and all of it seemingly keen on winning trophies, rather than falling into the pitfalls that can distract young players, especially in this country.

Mrs PL has just said "there's more red ones than blue ones..." no one was saying they were boring when they were twatting Ireland either.....best team in the competition by country mile, regardless of formation.

A couple of sources on newsnow say we're in for Junior Hoillet and he's going to sign.....does this lad play on the right or left?...

Equity?.....aye,negative equity sums up Ashley's financial situation at NUFC perfectly. The club isn't worth the value of the loans he has to pay off on it.

The old man, at the age of 76, has decided that he'd like to become a "silver surfer" Hes got a lot of stuff to shift on and at the moment various grandchildren are employed in getting his old junk on to ebay. Hes seen that yorkshire broadband ad though and thinks if its that cheap then he might as well get a laptop himself....which is where I appear to come in...when the new season starts am going to start paying for skysports and will probably use the "sky go" feature for watching the football quite a lot...and I want a laptop which is going to make it worthwhile viewing...the old man will inherit my old Dell gizmo so he can sell smoothing planes and bee keeping equipment to his hearts content So went to Currys earlier where this caught my eye.... http://www.yorkshirestyle.co.uk/store/sony-vaio-laptops/vpc-ej3t1e-vaio-640gb-hard-drive-sony-vaio Is that a good price?...same in Currys, who said they were going for a grand at Christmas. Is it good bit of kit?...is there something around the same price thats better?...cheers in advance...

Idiotheque will be having a bit of this later...enjoy mate http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18656304

So its pretty much as I said?....and Derek saying we're "debt free" is, being charitable, a load of fuckin wank? I understand we're in a better posistion then we were before relegation, and I understand completly the financial model the owner is working to, its pretty much the only game in town available to him and the club, and he's proving to be a canny player, but I just hate being fuckin lied to and this issue for me is a cloud hanging over the whole club that will not go away.

So Ashley has paid all the debts ran up by the previous regime and there is no trace of them on the latest (or previous) balance sheet/set of accounts, apart from perhaps a copy of the receipts or other proof of payment?.....or does it not work like that? Bottom line is the club isn't worth what he's ploughed into it, and I can't see a successful businessman like him just taking the hit on it. Doesn't make sense to my obviously non financially-savvy mind.

According to a peculiar logic, much has also been made of what Ashley’s alleged financial “backing” of the club in terms of making a £140 million loan to himself, which is repayable on demand by the club, to save himself from paying high interest rates on his own Newcastle United debts. The term “clearing” the club’s debts has been used so often that many fans are still oblivious to the fact that the club is now actually far more in debt than it was when Ashley assumed control of the club in 2007. I thought this was the interesting bit..... if this is right, and I've no reason to beleive its anything other than the author's own take/spin on things, should Ashley come to sell the club, is there still likely to be a huge residual debt that the club will be left with?...obviously a lot of that was accrued by the previous regime, but still.....its not exactly being "debt free" is it, as is being bandied about by Derek in particular....revenues and turnover aren't what they were, so what sort of ability will we have to service a possibly huge debt, should Mike not fancy paying for the previous regime's extravagance, as well as some of his own. We may well now, as the business stands, "wipe our own mouth" as Derek is fond of saying, but what is actually lying in wait for us? I know its very unlikely that hes going to get a decent offer anyway, but I just dont like the feeling thst theyre continuing to bullshit us.... I know Gemmil is fond of saying the SD branding is a sort of "quit pro quo" for Ashley taking the debt on himself to prevent the club from laying out huge fees to banks in interest, but if the debt is still there the club is only gaining anything while he is in charge.