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So your opinion is dont punish them for cheating?....that'll be a good deterrant to others. This is the biggest thing in Scottish football history and its going to sort some wheat from chaff but ffs any club that arises from the ashes at Ibrox cannot possibly be allowed to get off without any sanction, regardless of the effect on the other clubs. The other clubs know it and are being shamed into accepting it by other Scottish football fans and by the Scottish public in general. The other side of that is that its difficult to know the extent other the "Rangers/Orange Lodge/Masons/all bigots together looking out for each other" type mafia that pervades large swathes of public life in Scotland and to what extent the Scottish league is polluted by it. A a stitch up or contiued intimidation of league clubs by them is the only chance of any form of newco playing football in the name of RFC in Scotland next season. If the Rangers newco does find itself somehow playing league football next season then its probably the most shameful episiode in the history of professional sport in the UK.

Is for me the correct punishment if the big tax case is proven against them, which wasnt much to do with the liquidation of the club. ...its at appeal at the moment, but the company that is appealing no longer exists..Expell them from the record books so the acheivements that they cheated in order to win can go to clubs who play by the rules. Let them play where they want after that.

Are they shipping Chamakh out as well?....if they do they may need another....champs lge etc... Express saying Fergie wants Tiote and Cabaye. Beats me why Man U can't find players of that standard themsleves, regardless of the truth of the story, which is more than likely bollocks, but you never know. Manu's midfield needs something but its not really crying out for these two, unless theyre ditching Carrick and they want Cabaye in there. I'd imagine Fergie might like Tiote too but he likes lads with a good range of passing and thats not really Tiotes strong point.

You not more pleased that the game at the stadio del shite is on the box?.....strange as a bottle of crisps.....

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No, not entirely. No one knows what will happen tbh. But this could open the floodgates. I do think thats a danger for various reasons as I've said. Its going through today so we'll see.

Where does it stop though? whod have thought the players in cricket and tennis couldve questioned the umpires call 20 years ago? Think about John Terry being able to appeal a penalty decison. That scenario is a fuckin nightmare, am sure you'll agree.

Each FA will decide what competitions it will be intoduced in. It wouldve had a major bearing on the FA cup final this year. But one game in one competition where the technology is impossible to be used across every game is hardly a decent argument in its favour. Its all to do with how many people see it. A close goal line decision at Port Vale in a 3rd round replay should be in sporting terms as important as one at Wembley in the final. But because theres potentially millions riding on Chelsea v Liverpool its different. So that makes it one rule for the rich and one for the poor. Which is life. Doesn't make it fair though. The rules should b the same for every club in the competition surely?

Why? Officals had made errors in every sport for decades and the sports had thrived. Can't you see that? Why should it change now, who wants the change and who's driving it? Instead of trotting out the party line, think about it.

You know it doesnt work like that!!! I have put a bit of thought into this...it may not seem like it, but I have...it was cricket and the complete bell ends in the sky tv commnetary box who made me think theres something going on thats not quite right a few years back.

On the face of it, nothing. If the technology has been proven to work in all conditions then I don't see a problem with it. Its where it may lead to I'm concerned about. And the reasons for introducing it in the first place. The argument in favour seems to be "well its there, lets use it" which is as lame as me complaining about rampant commercialism. Theres been one premier league match affected by it in 20 years.

Technology is available to these sports as an alternative to having human officals making important decisions. If it wasnt the power and control hungry Murdoch driving these innovations it would be someone else like him. The biggest problem facing cricket is match riggging and spot betting, and has been for the last 20 years or so. It wasn't whether a ball had pitched outside the off stump and therefore the appeal to the umpire from the bowler for lbw is turned down. Cricket had thrived for over 100 years as a global sport before Sky brought their Hawkeye system in, snickomemter,hotspot etc etc....all of it undermines the umpire. All of it brought in by Sky. I don't see how thats even debateable tbh. Its gimmicks like this,brought in for the armchair viewer and the advertisers who want to attract them, that has undermined the authority of the umpires. Rampant commercialism has replaced a sport.

Thats the only one I csn think of and the league has been going 20 years....see what I mean? It changed nothing too...manu finsihed 3rd, 18 points behind Chelsea in 2005, Spurs finsihed 9th.

Its really great to have you back CabayeAye

First point yeah, but you could actually stop the game and see if theres been any contact at all, especially in the box. Once you go a yard down that road (eg goaline only), some bell end in the media will want more. Thats how the case for goaline technology started, despite it making no difference whatsover to any significant Premier League outcome that I can remember. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. And I know enough about cricket to know that the referall system is despised by umpires and indeed some teams, India for instance. I'm not a cricket addict, but I do understand the game very well and played a fair bit in my youth and if anyone who is heavily into their cricket wants to contradict me then thats fine. So if goaline technology was to be introduced, and the ball is found not to have crossed the line fully, how is the game re started?....

You'll always have fuckers like that though... as long as the machines dont take over that is...go on the Newcastle Online thread and look at the ref in the Derby game....we've always had them and football has thrived in the last 20 years, with many innovations that have been good for the game and the fans. Not this though. Its unecessary.

I know I sound like a silly old twat but its just the way I feel about this. Theres really no need for it.

tbh mate, I'm not an expert. But I do take an interest and thats how it comes across to this layman.

Offside isnt up for debate either, you're of or you're on. Diving as well. Replays to decide penalties? If youve got the technology you can get every single thing right. Look at cricket, the umpires might as well not be there. Thats what I dont want for football.

Cant deny much of that, but as I first said its the thin end of the wedge...some prick on Sky will start chirping on about offsides, then diving, then what?....its precisely how and why its being sanctioned by Blatter now. I understand this sounds a case of "after the horse has bolted" but tv now dictate fixture dates and kick off times where once they were the preserve of the governing body of the sport. Now tv wants to interfere with how the laws of the game are interpretated all because theres now a huge tv audience. I understand how this sounds, but they can frankly fuck off on this one for me. The FA is an old fashioned, out dated mausoleum full of pricks with their own agendas. And I dare say loads of them think tv replays are a good idea. But the FA used to be in charge of a game and now they are subserviant to the business they allowed to replace their game as we used to know it. I dont long for lots of things that came with football 20 odd years ago, am not a luddite either. I'm just fuckin sick of change for the sake of commercial gain. For me a line has to be drawn somewhere. Might as well be here, because its a step too far.

So the ref has been irrelevent for 125 years?...

Your first two sentances are a bit contradictory, you make it sound like they were sat around in 1888 saying "cant wait for the telelvison to be invented!" "The referee's decision is final" was certainly good enough for everyone, let him make (or not) the decisions, up until big money became involved. Because of the global nature of the game the rules had to be strongly defended to maintain absoloute and blanket integrity. Rugby,Cricket and Tennis have basically introduced and undermined the ref's authority in those sports at the behest of Rupert Murdoch. The technology has been introduced since he started bankrolling these sports (in this country anyway). It's largely for the benefit of the armchair fan, which makes it a commercial decision and not a sporting one. Football loses something without contentious decisions iyam, its been part of the sport since its inception and I dont want it to change from that becasue its convenient for a meglomaniac fuckin crook.

Blatter was telling people to fuck off about it till a couple of years ago.....the pricks in the media will drive this, as they have with getting it to be even considered by FIFA in the first place. So you think it would be ok just for goaline technology?....you wouldnt have wanted it to be used for something like Maradonna's "hand of god"?..."if its sat there at the side of the pitch, why not use it?..." Football has been fine without it for 125 years, but now because people stand to lose money and status it has to be changed?....its the tail wagging the dog. For me they can fuck off with their technology.

You cant have goaline technology because then there will be a call for it to be used for offside,then diving, then something fuckin else...where do you stop?...