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Scousers and Jocks ran the south coast drugs trade in the 90s as far as I could make out.The likes of Bournemouth and Torquay were riddled with scousers, and now in the 21st century theres a nasty firm of ex UDA henchmen and strangely, a team from Jarrow running the show here in Dorset. Nasty fuckers all.

The media have been on Liverpools back for the best part of 30 years as far s I can make out; before Hillsborough he Murdoch press annhilated the City of Liverpool and its council for daring to defy the Thatcher government over rate capping in the run up to the introduction to the poll tax. Derek Hatton, the leader, was held up as a pariah for the whole nation to mock. Then, for obvious reasons, that stopped after 89. But Thatcher's spawn eventually stuck the knife in as well: In 2004, Boris Johnson was ordered by the then Tory leader Michael Howard to go to Liverpool and apologise for an article in The Spectator which accused the city of "wallowing" in its "victim status". He said Liverpudlians made a scapegoat of police in the wake of the Hillsborough disaster, refusing to acknowledge the part played "by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground". The article, on 16 October, said people in Liverpool "cannot accept that they might have made any contribution to their misfortunes, but seek rather to blame someone else for it, thereby deepening their sense of shared tribal grievance about the rest of society". The man that said that wants to be the next prime minister, neglecting to add that Lord Justice Taylor, if he were still alive, would say "bollocks" to it. And he'd also have the evidence to prove it. After that was published it was open season for those who only see what they want to see. Anyone can say what they want, but theres two sides to everything. HF made a glib remark, which I certainly didnt take offence to, but at the same time it comes from somewhere. Its difficult to tell on here at times whats a wind up and whats a sincerely held view, HF was having a crack, but some seem to go a bit OTT on this. Thats what get my goat.

Correct mate. A family wedding is like a bad episode of Shameless I just dont think theres hardly any differences at all in people. Theres good and bad in everyone....weve got learn to live, learn to give each other, what we need to survive, together alive

The trouble with that is, the past informs the present. The country didnt wake up suddenly and decide all scousers are vermin,feral scum, something has planted the idea in the first place. Judge an entire city on the actions of a few if you must, but if its just to prove you've got the loudest voice in the pub its a poor show. I work with dozens of scousers every day, and theyre no better and no worse than anyone else. And they certainly dont consider themselves to be victims.But I'm sure youve heard some in the media who do, and will judge the rest accordingly. People are easily lead, and the media do most of the leading in this country.. I've no connection whatsover with the city, I just think all cities are much the same. Youve got an agenda to paint Newcastle as the greatest place under the sun, and whilst am inordinately fond of the place myself, I can see theres nothing new under the sun. You can belligerantly try to cow people into agreeing with you all you want, it doesnt change the fact that all cities have all the same social problems. You can point bad things scousers have done, anyone can point to Mary Bell and Raoull Moat. It means fuck all in the big scheme of things.

Because people like to generalise about the lowest common denominator?...its a bit like saying you like killing kids because you're from the same city as Mary Bell. Thats fuckin bollocks obviously. But its about as logical as saying all scousers are theives, the football fans are murderers etc etc.. It comes from their own "thrawn" independant and deeply militant attitude, iyam. For this they were completly vilified in the press in the 80s, the place was bankrupt, no one had a job....but they had the best football side in Europe. Then Heysel happened,then Hillsborough,then Jamie Bulger... only one of them can be attributed to a tiny minority of one group as far as blame goes, and the state of the stadium wouldve made sure that any gang who wanted to have a go wouldve had largley the same "result"...lets face it, Liverpool didnt have the same reputation as Chelsea,West Ham,Leeds and numerous others at the time for hooliganism. Anyone wanting to gobshite off in general terms about anything will eventually repeat the bollocks you (and a lot of Tory's, morning Boris) usually roll out about Liverpool, with the seed planted in their minds by a press industry with an agenda,which amounts to a basic willingness to demonise everyone, even whole cities, if it will sell a newspaper. Theyre no angels, thats for sure. But show me any city that has model citizens and I'll show you never never land.

I think a lot of the media "myths" about us come from ex players generalising on a theme of the fantastic support they received. Sad to say one of the biggest culprits is Mick Quinn. He talks fuckin bollocks.

We live in a post-industrial society, that population pattern is the same all over the world. The thing with Liverpool is nothing ever truly replaced the huge labour needs of the docks, so unemployment was higher in the 80s there than anywhere else and that label stuck. When the miners in Durham and Yorkshire were fighting for their futures in 83/84, the scousers had already largely lost theirs.

Its no different, I think its the Kensigton area you go through on the way to the city centre rather than on the football grounds, its been completley boarded up since before the city of culture thing and was certainly like that in May when we were at Goodison. Thats all down to LFC and the council though. The club started earmarking areas for "redevelopment" around Anfield, and it spread out from there. Fuck knows why they want thier city to appear like that, someone must be on the take for it though.

Yeah, a lot of the north is the same though. Newcastle is an exception, but its not great in parts. Same as anywhere else. I've worked at the car plant at Halewood on Merseyside on numerous occasions and stayed in the city whilst doing so and found it to be ok, much the same as any other former major industrial city,The most depressing place I've worked in is inner city London. I felt completly alienated there. Glasgow is deeply upsetting in parts too. Leeds/Bradford, Sheffield, Manchester (where half my family are from) could all be termed "shitholes" if you choose to look down your nose at everything in life, but its Liverpool that gets singled out. Are you Boris Johnson in disguise?

No worse or better than a dozen other places I've experience of....the boarded up houses on the way in remind of the motorway going into Glasgow...nothing new under the sun iyam..

not a fan then? why are you tarring an entire city with an outdated and blatantly unfair stereotype?....

The Scot said: "I find it quite amazing that a club can pay €45million for a 19-year-old boy." Ferguson continued: "To make a mark on everyone - to tell everyone that PSG are here - they have signed Thiago Silva from Milan and Zlatan Ibrahimovic. "They must have spent about £150m in the last month. As you know, the only deterrent to that is UEFA. "In the conditions of European football, you don't qualify for Europe by winning the league or coming second - you only get in by invitation. "That's where, hopefully, UEFA can have some power. When somebody's paying £45m for a 19-year-old boy you have to say the game's gone mad." Only unfair when manu dont have the money to compete....how much were Rooney and Ferdinand?....selective memory, he is over 70 after all :/

Think he just identified more with us because he was basically from the area...KK's dad was from County Durham, and his grandfather was a pit deputy who saved a load of lives in an accident at a pit (might have been near Stanley?) sometime in the early 20th century. Oh and his reputation was annhilated on Merseyside when he left for Hamburg in 1977, that might have had some bearing on it

Aye, he's fitting in well...put a few past a shite side and he thinks we're going to win the fuckin league

That scouse professor of football (Rogan someone?) was on it, in the 3 bulls chatting to some Mags about the situation at SJP...

I remember that....they had footage of that lad running on to the pitch with the "sack the board" banner...might have been v Millwall?....

sounds a belter...we had a crate of Thunderbird hidden under the seat...happy days.. One of our drivers, without a word of a lie, smashed a mackems head through a kebab shop window the same night in Gateshead. Dressed in full company uniform (Scottish Citylink). We then made good our escape to the border

http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/26952-nufc-pictures-from-days-of-old/

Aye, I was on the Berwick supporters bus, one of the few to make it into Nottinghamshire that night with its windows intact

Lots of great memories...I'd add Ned Kelly v Pompey, 92...without which..?... Pedro's hatrick v mackems 85 Carroll hatrick v mackems 2010..

If youve been to Iraq or Afghnistan and been shot at or a likely to pretty soon I'd say fair play to you mate. If not....rocky ground iyam.

What tickets?....do you think George Riley of 5live needed a ticket for the Velodrome yesterday?...he said he'd been "lucky enough to haqve been there" at 6am this morning, doing his "sports monkey" bit on the breakfast show...I'd have imagined his BBC media pass would have sufficed. Is that fair seeing as Hoy's parents had to beg? I know how things go in life, freeloading is part of it. But we do still have the right to piss and moan about it, unless we're Cuba all of a fuckin sudden. Maybe I'm just not making things clear enough...Why did Hoy's parents go to the press?

Yeah...with oodles of public money! Thats why am single-ing them out, that just isnt on. A woman paid to read the news Monday-Friday shouldnt be in the stadium on a Sunday night on a freebie when Chris Hoy's folks had to go to the press to get in to the Velodrome.

Sponsor Proctor and Gamble is also helping Team GB athletes' families with tickets." To be fair, the sponsors in this case redeuce the ticket price by their sponsorship, so they deserve a few to hand out to staff and clients. Fair play to them for helping the atheletes' families out as well, seeing as the BOA would rather give the tickets they should have got to freeloaders from other Olympic Associations. And that still doesnt explain why BBC staff got in for fuck all.

From what I heard in Den Haag the Debuchy thing is dead because the club wont pay 7 mill for a 27 year old. Much more likely to be the Dutch lad at Ajax at the moment...Van de Wiel?..