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Would key players being mising possibly have a bearing on that?....

Well he doesnt. Certainly not yesterday. The fact is I agree largely with a lot of that, but not about the effect its having on the team.How many times did a player beat the West Ham right back yesterday?....I counted 6 times in the second half. That should be 3 goals. Someone from midfield shouldve been in the spaces where the ball was being put into. So either Cabaye is being told to hold back or he cant be arsed to attack. Or without Tiote he doesnt trust Anita to shut the door on a counter attack. So its either Cabayes heed being turned or a tactical fuck up or we're missing the suspended Tiote, who's abscnece is self inflicted, his rep precedes him now. The real, truly depressing thing for me is if we hadnt targeted the hopelsss WH rightback, if we had acheived no penetration down that flank because of the weakness of that player. Thats what wins games against tight sides like the ones Allardyce put out.Its not all Brazil 70 man. We acheived what we set out to do, target the right back, we just couldnt finish it because probably a mixture of the things I mentioned. Bottom line is a good mananger will address the problems I've outlined, and for many Pardew was a good manager last season. Whats changed?

But the investment/transfer system that got last seasons results is still the system we have today. One thing we're going to need in Ashley's brave new world where we may get seasons like 2010/11 is a hell of a lot of paticence. We're not going to get the players we need when we need them with Ashley, anyone who has let this slip from their mind is serously misreading him and the club's situation. And as it was good enough last season, I dont get why people who showered the regime with praise 6 months ago are having nervous breakdowns this morning. Nothings changed.

Thats what it is, the competative advantage the licence fee gives the beeb over everyone else that really bothers them. The trouble is, until the Saville thing the beeb could take the moral high ground...you'd never find them supporting Hitler or bugging the phones of murder victim's families. But now it looks very much like they were protecting a known paedophile for decades...only themsleves to blame.

Why? its like we've never been beaten by a shite side at home before during a run of poor results Perspective is needed. I felt more like knee jerking after the Brighton and Fulham away games last season tbh.

The Beeb look hopeless in this but the gall of the likes of the Mail and the Murdoch press in taking the moral high ground

The same couldve been said last sasson, all sides had iffy spells then as well. Chelsea had an iffy season in the league all round, perhaps because they were concentrating on the champs league. The time to anylise us is the end of the season. I'll probably join in if theres no real changes post January. But last season should've bought Pardew some time and space to try and sort the problems out. The 8 year contract says he's likely to get some from Ashley.

Yeah, because we over acheived last season. That raised expectations. There are obviously problems, but ffs its nothing like the relegation season and last season gave us all a lot of hope. We're in the middle. Where we usually fuckin are. Amen.

Thats the key, things are plainly not as they were last season. I think managing expectations is important too though, and Europe was bound to have an effect with Ashley's transfer policy. We don't get the players we need until the deal's right, and if its not it doesnt go ahead. I think the Debuchy thing was down to Lille largely though, the the players comments last week. They didnt want to sell him to us.

When you were claiming that everything was rosey in the garden last season could you not see it was one or two players pulling us along?...theyre not doing it this season for whatever reasons, and now we're likely relegation fodder? Am not buying it CT, the same way I didn't buy into your evangelism of all things Ashley/Pardew last season. I understand you're paying good money for awful performances and that gives you every right to state you're case but I think you're over-egging it. It wasnt as good as you claimed last season and its not as bad (overall, the performances are awful) this season.

This is the thing...most on here weren't predicting a return to the top 5 and as far back as the end of last season due to the rigours of the Europa League (and a lot were happy enough with that tbh, look at the various predictions back then) so I think CT's wummer comments are a bit of a joke tbh. Not that Pardew (rightly) used Europe as an excuse...he's rotated the squad well enough. Add to that other traditional knee-jerk comments about getting rid of Pardew from the usual suspect(s) and you'd think we were in Sothamptons posistion and not bimbling along in mid table. Pardew's tactics this season are questionable, thats unarguable, but as we said yesterday, we regularly got into good enough posistions to create real oppurtunities but fucked up the final ball. And anyone expecting to see an NUFC side play like Keegans 1990s side in 2012 is living on another planet. We didnt do that last season either, we relied largely on brilliant runs of form from Ba,HBA and Cisse. Pardew is a pragmatist and demands safety first, thats why HBA couldnt get into the team last season until he bucked his ideas up defensively, and getting now forgotten compliments from many on here for the way he handled that. And he's got an 8 year contract so all those showering him with praise last season and annhilating him this need to have a think about it. One thing thats plain as day for me though is that some of the top performers from last season dont look interested this season. I think a lot of heads have been turned. This is a trrue test of Pardew's ability as a manager. Redknapp acheived 4th last season from a similar posistion and set of circumstances so we'll see if Pardew can get the likes of Cabaye and Cisse firing again. Or maybe we'll see one or two of them go in January.

Plain as day J....watching the long ball shite is awful, but it cant be denied, we got into good posisitions but failed to capitilise on them.

Aye, fair enough. But honestly, the amount of times we got in behind them today with no one on the edge of the box to cut it back to. Where the fuck was he, or Anita? cant they speak to each other?.. "I'll sit in, you support the attack"... thats whats got my goat. We did enough graft to win that game, but the finesse to finish the moves off wasnt there.

Instead of criticing the players who we know are a bit average, can any of the assmebled armchair experts give me a run down on Cabaye's second half contribution please? He's played 95% of the season like he wishes he was in London, he goes missing for huge swathes of games. Only his immense ability has on the odd occasion masked this.

Does Pardew's boss pay the wages for anyone who may be better?

And who are you replacing him with?

Only saw the second half with the sound off but I saw several players (notably Santon) regularly annhillate the WH right back. The final ball after doing all the hard work was terrible, we should have scored 3 in the second half just on the amount of times we got in behind their fullbacks. Yes, pumping it up to Shola and Ba is boring and frustrating, but for me we did just about enough of the hard graft in the second half to create the opportunities but our decision making when in on goal was fuckin shite. We're not playing well this season but for some reason am far from downhearted about this. if we'd made 2 good cutbacks in the second half we'd have pissed this, the margins in the mid section of this division are tiny, and its the vital things like a couple of good final balls that are often the difference between winning and losing. This time it didnt come off. Bring on Swansea.

wassappened??!!

Ornamental water feature for me too Bonna if you don't mind?

Obsessed

Santon back in the Italy squad... http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20121110/santon-back-in-italy-squad_2281670_2976858.

I knew you wouldn't take my word for it...have a look at the circuit diagram I put up, that one you're on about is just an indicative schematic representation of what happens, its certainly not an circuit or wiring diagram. In the yank model the cables from the inverter and the cables from the consumers distribution point are joined together before they get to the meter/s. That's how the surplus gets back into the grid, you don't need 2 cables.

I know am going to regret getting involved in this....I've had a hunt around the interweb and there really isnt anything that truly explains the technical theory behind it... Whether Wolfy chooses to accept it or not, this is how a basic AC circuit with a dual feed works from what I can remember from college, a quarter of a century ago! The best technical way I can explain it is that the voltage and current in an AC circuit is in a waveform i.e. they alternate up and down (hence ALTERNATING CURRENT). The surlpus is fed back into the grid "out of step" with the supply wave. This is acheived by the electronics in the inverter.So the surlplus waveform is out of step with the incoming wave, i.e. the surplus sine wave sits in between the peaks and troughs of the incoming supply wave . Thats how electricity in AC circuits can travel in different directions, as it would appear Wolfy does acknowlege. The current (the electrons) is moved by the force (the cirucit voltage) and its in effect the voltage that can go either way, it carries the current with it. The surplus exiting back to the grid is metered seperately BUT in the same meter enclosure (two sets of current tranformers in the metering would do this, one for each waveform, but they would feed only one "display", hence the meter "going backwards") before it is returned to the grid so a value can be put on it for both the consumer and the supply company. This is how in the UK you can use the supply company's cable to export surplus energy back into the grid....as far as I can make out... The thing about all this is, at the start of the thread about nuclear power Wolfy didnt beleive me when I said I'd seen lads machining solid lumps of Plutonium on huge lathes when I worked at AWE Aldermaston as a sparky so as I said at the start I don't expect him to beleive a word of this Grid tie (also known as grid-intertied or utility-interactive) systems are intended to operate in parallel with an electric utility. Here is how they work. At night or during inclement weather all the electricity is supplied by the mains. During the daylight hours, the system generates some power, offsetting the consumption of electricity from the utility and cutting electric bills. The balance of the kWh required by your loads is automatically drawn from the input lines. If the PV panels are producing more electricity than you are using, the system will feed the surplus of the energy back to the utility. It may even spin your electric meter backwards, further reducing your monthly bill. Such configuration is the most common, simplest and less expensive than other types of grid-interactive residential PV setups. Currently, an average net cost of an installed batteryless on-grid PV generators for homes is under $7 per watt. For homeowners a large portion of this cost may be offset by various credits and rebates. The main disadvantage of such systems is that normally they do not provide any back-up power during blackouts even if sun is shining and the PV array is producing enough energy. For a backup you need to use a battery-based systems with special inverters. Heres the link with the yank circuit system on it, which is different to ours; the supply characteristics on this drawing appear to be 2 phase (L1 & L2) with a separate neutral, which is tied down to earth at a point between the meter and the main isolating switch for the property (usually a copper earth rod) In the UK we usually use a combined Neutral and Earth conductor which is wrapped in a copper "armour" around the one single phase live conductor. The neutral and earth are both tied down to earth at the supply comapany's generator and are only split into seperate neutral and earth conductors at the consumers side of the supply company's fuse, situated beside the meter in most domestic dwellings. Non of this makes a blind bit of difference when exporting energy back into the grid though. http://solar.smps.us/grid-tied.html An sure somone with more thorough knowlegde of how electricity behaves in AC circuits may come along and put me right on a few things but this is how it seems to me.

The BBC's Director General has resigned. Cant beleive some of the top brass at Newsnight wont be far behind him.