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Its not middle class though, its middle income. Thats the point, the people no doubt earn more than their parents could've dreamed of but their parents didnt send them to the local prep school in order for them to do so. Their kids might well go to very good schools though, thats where it changes I'd imagine.

I saw the O'Grady thing too, and tend to agree. I suppose if your lifestyle changes from standing on the Gallowgate to flying club class around the world on business you probably do go through huge changes, and with the no doubt monumental change in social circles that brings you probably do consider yourself to be "different". My life hasn't changed very much tbh, so I am possibly closer to who I was when I was a teenager. You dont come across as someone who's forgotten where he's from though so behind all the baubles and trinkets and the champagne lifestyle I'd imagine its fair to say you havent changed very much, and if you were brought up in what Frank Skinner calls the "working class First Division " you have more than enough tools to get on in life if you so choose; politeness,honesty,hard working etc. If you'd gone to public school and had a similar career path you probably wouldnt have stood on the Gallowgate though, which is where the difference is for me.

In the old meaning of the word, the aristocracy are the upper classes and for me they still are. Then you've got people with as you say the income to buy their way into whatever lifestyle they want to become accustomed to. Thats an infinetly huge amount of people, and those with an excess of income with which to obtain fancy trinkets and baubles may start as low as 35k. But that doesnt automatically make them middle class. Then you've got the proper working class, who could also earn in excess of 50k a year...builders are doing a working class job but a lot of them make a lot of money. Then theres people who dont want to work. The people in the middle two categories pay for them. Andprotect their homes against them. And thats it. Its all about income and mobility apart from the uppers. You've got to marry into them, which if you're from Hackney or Heaton would do their gene pool the fuckin world of good

I do actually think we're entering the final phase of his time here....but that could last 18 months or so. When he can sell for a realistic price after trousering the tv money and the odd 5mill or so that may be left over from selling the likes of Cabaye once we've spent the bare minimum to keep us in the division, then he'll sell.

Because if you're not putting any of your own money in thats how its done. As a few have said, if we were likely to "trade up" and bring a potentially better player in that Cabaye then I'd be all for it. But we're just buying to stay in the division.

Class is inherenty different to income though. You're middle income on 50k but it doesnt in any way indicate what social background you come from. I can name half a dozen people I know who were brought up on council estates who earn in excess of 50k. I imagine most people with a half decent career could among their own collegues. Your background indicates what class you are iyam.

Garlic smelling collaborating Vichy cunt. We should tar and feather him at greys monument, shave his head and then get Ewerk's in laws over with the horse and cart to ferry him round town whilst we throw rotten veg and excrement at him. That'll teach him. Yeah.

Cisse's performance last night reminded me of Owen's the season we went down..."back to goal, hold the ball up" isn't his game, so he keeps on making his runs, knowing full well the ball is unlikely to ever reach him in the right areas.

Think you're right. When Kinnears got the reigns again Pardew may well get viewed very differently. He is pretty much the best manager Ashley is willing to pay for. So...its either storm the directors box with flaming torches on Saturday, or wait a bit and resign ourselves to another complete cunt of a season, with quite possibly relegation at the end of it. How the fuck has it come to this in 12 months?

Indeed he is, but is the current management of the club likely to fork out the necessary money for a replacement?...they didn't even want one for free! Again, almost a decade of Taylor is just a symptom of what's wrong at the club, not the cause. See also Shola. And its got fuck all to do with where they're from.

Liverpool were just as dominant as manu in the 70s and 80s though on a much more even playing field. Would you have expected them to go without a title for 23 years? Why didn't we all just give up then? What you're saying is mind numbmingly logical and goes against the very concept of football fandom. Few things in life make real sense, least if all following a football club. It makes no sense but millions continue to do it.

I think if you asked a Spurs fan in 2013 if he liked where the club was going he'd say yes, very much so. They play pretty good football too, which is enough for most fans.

Gemmills right in a lot of ways, "financial doping" as somebody termed it a while back. Tooj is also correct, I actually though that after we finished 5th we were going down the same road as Spurs, and had high hopes for us. Got that one wrong

Demba unused sub for Chelsea on Saturday. If Ashley wants to protect his investment he should instruct Kinnear to bring him in on loan. If we can only live off scraps with no structured pattern of attacking play then Cisse and Remy aren't enough to keep us in the division. The manager is irrelevent in a way, because if there is a change we all know who the new one will be.

When manu dicked us 6 nowt we were so pissed after an afternoon in there we didnt know theyd scored 6 till about half 10 at night...we had made into OT, but left at two nowt, had a pint in the pub across the road where we saw the third, then went into town...gets a bit vague after that...

Not been in here for a couple of years, but its fabulous, and I see its now won an award of some sort...on Oxford Street, on the other side of the road from the BBC studios.. http://www.thelass.co.uk/

Theres a boozer outside Piccadily station, you can get the free bus to the ground from the street outside there. Keep an eye out for two forty something vagrants minesweeping pints. That'll be me and my mate, after I've been for a cup of tea at me auntie Brenda's. Mums a manc. Weddings in our family are like a bad episode of Shameless.

Another bunch of fuckers with pre 92 amnesia....they've been utter shit for the majority of their history that lot.

They've had a minimum of 4 hours to get wankered ffs...

Thats dreadful Davey. Good on you though, its easier to stay away.

The last 3 home games were a disgrace. Pardew didnt help by saying "we're safe" on 33 points but ffs, the players own self respect shouldve produced more effort than what was on show from April onwards. I could indulge in a huge bout of national stereotyping here but I will refrain bacause I'm a nice person

I think CT is fair in his comments on Debuchy & HBA and on this occasion you're being unfair to CT No one came out of last season well for whatever reason. Pardew wasnt solely to blame. The players bare some responsibility too.

Very, very average from the end of the last war till he mid-late 80s, with a freakish double thrown in in the early 70s. The 15 years between George Graham arriving and the last time they won anything were the best days theyve had since the thirties/Herbert Chapman. Since then theyve built the best stadium in Britain. Still not enough for those who cant remember past 1992

This is what 8 years without a trophy does to you....shame...poor love... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gSFEaI4HdA

That says Mbiwa will start at left back iyam