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Looking forward to the trip to Croydon next weekend, Pardews lot will tear us a new one...

Am presuming you mean Shia v Sunni?...completely agree, and that's the one reason we stopped short of removing saddam in 1991, he was a necessary monster in that particular region. It also makes the decision to invade a decade later even more ludicrous. The west could've "managed" his successor a lot easier when he eventually left the scene if they hadn't intentionally set the two factions against each other in an entirely predictable way.

True, but have the wars we've prosecuted in the last decade been the Islamists chief recruiting tool? That's been ignored in this debate so far and for me it's very important.

Offside. Fuckin lino wants shooting.

Huth is an odious Teutonic wanker

Aye Barca. Strange night, Shola scored in the Nou Camp They were a pretty poor outfit at the time, Riquelme, Mendieta,Kluivert, all past their best. Dyer will always have my contempt for banging one of the nails into Sir Bob's SJP coffin. In a way though it was blown out of all proportion by the media. I doubt if hes the first player to tell the manager where he wants to play. I don't think hes the biggest tosser to play for us recently either, as well as being amongst the best, when his plasticine hamstrings weren't giving him gip.

Indeed. What's the exact relationship between the UAE government and Man City? Is that mansoor gadgie doing all the good works off his own bat or is some or all of it direct from the governments coffers?

Shit got real with Scargill-haired Murdoch lackey Andrew Neil on his talk show last night.... http://www.snappytv.com/tc/1036780

Ladies and Gentleman I give you Frankie Boyle...

Normally I'd agree but I don't think it's fair or in particularly good taste to start picking on Islam or it's plainly moderate and sensible followers 4 days after a bunch of oxygen thrives hijacked the belief system of 1.5bllion mostly reasonable and blameless followers and murdered 130 people. Aimaad has made some very thoughtful and pertinent contributions and didn't really deserve a grilling from the fuckin Geordie Inquisition.

Happy birthday to the other Lion of Gosforth

Weeeelllll..... Say if aimaad was a work colleague and you were quizzing him about his beliefs and openly laughed in front of witnesses about some of them and somebody reported it. You'd be on a spot of bother with HR at the very least. I know this is the Internet and this does sound very pious and PC but it proves a point in a way. The road to real trouble between communities starts with this sort of small time stuff. Of course it begs a much bigger question, should we tolerate intolerance?...it's tricky, it's the line between freedom of speech and respect for any religion. You don't respect Islam, fair enough, but the right to religious expression is enshrined in EU and UN conventions.

Am wondering if you're aware of how close you are to mocking aimaads religion here? It's ok, am not offended am am not intending on taking offence on behalf of aimaad himself. Are you just taking the piss out of his beliefs as an excercise in freedom of speech, because of the events of Friday night (which as several posters in this thread have tried to explain has fairly little to do with mainstream Islam in general) or because he's a lone voice on here 1000s of miles away on the end of a broadband connection? Mixture of all 3?... Fwiw I tend to agree with a lot of what you say but phrasing it in the manner you're doing is abusing the freedom of speech you appear to be claiming full rights to here. With those rights comes the responsibility to use them carefully and taking the piss out of the single(?) poster on here who can give real insight into how mainstream Moslems think is for me abusing that right as much as you're abusing aimaads beliefs.

Fair play to elderly Belfast proto-punks Stiff Little Fingers.... Many have cancelled, for various reasons... http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34826099/foo-fighters-u2-and-eagles-of-death-metal-cancel-gigs-after-paris-attacks Don't know what I'd do, its a tricky one...

We know already that Jeremy Corbyn will not help. There was a time when Labour could be relied upon to fight totalitarian regimes such as the Islamic caliphate ruled by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-declared Caliph Ibrahim. I wonder if Corbyn has read Sami Moubayed’s superb book, Under the Black Flag, which describes precisely what life is like in the hell on Earth created by the zealots of Raqqa. I wonder, too, if the Labour leader agreed with the article posted by Stop the War but since withdrawn, headlined “Paris reaps whirlwind of western support for extremist violence in Middle East”. As tasteless as the piece was, it captured accurately the Corbynite belief that Islamist terrorism is the consequence of western foreign policy. And there is no doubt that the errors of Iraq, Guantánamo and extraordinary rendition have oxygenated the millennial death cult that inspired seven militants (at least) to kill as many Parisian civilians as they could. But it is wilfully unhistorical to claim that their ideology is to be understood solely as the hideous spawn of decisions taken in the White House and Pentagon. What drove them was the same impulse that drove their forebears to burn The Satanic Verses a quarter century ago. It detects grievance everywhere, throughout history: from the Crusades to the loss of the caliphate in 1924, to the foundation of Israel in 1948, to the emancipation of women and gay people in the west. It bans music and comedy. It is violently theocratic. You could withdraw all western forces from the Middle East and north Africa, abolish the state of Israel, end America’s entanglement with Saudi Arabia – and the Islamists would describe this as no more than a good start. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/16/isis-britain-david-cameron-air-strikes-armchair-generals

Agreed, but for me religion is just the conduit, or m.o. If you like. The root cause is just mans inhumanity to his fellow man. Lust for power status and wealth. Don't know if this has been posted.. http://gu.com/p/4e8b4?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It's easy to hitch your hatred of others and lust for recognition and resources to a relgious cause and it's been practiced the world over for 1000 years or so. At the end of the day it's just men narcissistically hell bent on power,land and money using one cult (or political system, comrade, or Mr President, delete as applicable) or another to attract other evil bastards to their cause while good people sit around and stick their heads in the sand. That sadly includes us all. There's no hope for the human race, there was no hope when a few catholic Germans murdered 6million Jews in the living memory of my parents, nor was there any hope when orthodox Christians went into Srbenica and killed 6000 Moslem boys and men 20 years ago. am not comparing figures or size of tragedy or anything like that, but I don't see huge amounts of difference in any of it tbh. I know a lot of you are big on equivalence but am not really suggesting accurate or even general comparisons can be made. I think the best way I can put it is all wars are economic in some way or other, and the easiest way to trigger one is to turn one neighbour against another.

I like that but I wouldn't want HF giving me a medical examination

Listen son, it's the Internet. Round these parts we take tiny inferences and twist them till they squeal, then make a sweeping generalisation about the bastard we've just dishonestly created to prove a spurious point. Got it?

whooah! That's spooky.... You've just outed yourself as someone who takes Bill Maher as an intellectual role model though By the way, if SEW is Affleck, you're Maher, who plays HF?....."intellectually rigorous liberal minded statistician"

Because SEW accused someone he's presumably known for donkeys years of being a racist when it was just an emotional outburst to the horrific events in Paris. People seldom engage their brain before committing their thoughts to social media, He's done the same as his mate tbh, both statements are plainly stupid but let's face it not the worst thing that's happened this weekend. Or maybe I've got that all completely wrong and his mate is the Lord high grand wizard of the Chester le Street branch of the KKK and SEW has won awards for his work exposing "racism" in society in general

The CIA funded, trained and equipped Bin Laden when it suited them in the 80s and I think it's fair to say he properly let the genie out the bottle. Fundamental Wahhabism didn't really affect the west until the yanks got into bed with the Saudis for their oil. So I do think it indeed does all go back to foreign and economic policy. I don't think the west knew what it was fucking with, or thought they could control it easily, or didn't give a fuck. Probably a mixture of all three.

Top man Got to admit I've only ever driven past it, its more HMHM's sort of establishment, and Chez of course...

its in its usual spot outside the Raby, next to Chez's 88 Nissan Bluebird

Any Bernard Cornwell aficionados out there?.....have read a Sharpe or two in my time but prompted by the current showing of Last Saxon am tempted to try his Arthurian series first, anyone given them a go?