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Isnt your conclusion at the end of this post a blatant contradiction? "Radical measures" isn't more neo liberal bullshit that got us into the state were in now, it's just more of the same. I understand your "least worse option" (that's pretty much how I voted) thing but there's 10s of millions who voted for some sort of change and as a result we're out of the EU. There's huge swathes of this country in which, for for dozens of communities', their "reason for existing" has vanished. They're the ones who voted out, they're the ones who will get no change pretty much regardless of how they voted. I don't see that as being any choice whatsoever. If this MOTR party gets started am sure it will attract a lot of voters, but can you envisage that they'd change anything in a significant way, should they get into power?

Didn't someone start saying in this thread about reading more of "the classics" but not having time to get round to it?.... I've just taken up the baton here and finished "the 39 steps" by John Buchan, which was predictably very good, very short ( attention span not great) and free from kindle store The book I read before that will surely will am sure one day be held in the same esteem by the global literati, Ray Winstone's account of his East End youth, kneesupmuvvabraaan-tastic

She's got a point, however, as mentioned last week there's a bigger picture... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-chilcot-report-latest-news-alex-salmond-a7116926.html Don't know if he'll walk off into the sunset by Friday, I think I would if I was him though...

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It's in the post

Did it say how likely that was?.... It's the one thing the Scots Nats haven't really considered , what sort of EU they're in such a rush to join. I think after the last 18 months there's at least the same chance of France leaving if they're given the chance to vote on it.

I do know all about it because I work(ed) with these lads every day for over a decade, so you are talking precisely about me and the (self) employment environment I work in. I was on £16-55 an hour, 45 hours a week = £744-75, less 20% CIS tax @ source= £595 per week. Semi skilled ( as most immigrant Labour still is in my trade, you need a good grasp of English to pass the exams) they earn about £12. The time my wages went down and work became tricky ( recently) was when the banks crashed 2008-9ish, which am sure even you wouldn't blame the Poles for Rates have gone up about £1-50 to £2 an hour since I've been away this year too. I expect next year they'll come tumbling down again though, I'll let you fill in the blanks why. Your claims are baseless, you plainly know nothing about this game but are trying to claim that you do, why is that?

People who bandy the word "racist" around regularly are usually jumping to conclusions that don't bare a lot of scrutiny.... Are people who share Britain First posts on Facebook racist?...some openly are, most are just a bit thick and wound up by the media, leading them to the ballot box...

OK you're now precisely talking about me.....as a qualified sparky what do you think I was getting an hour on my last contract before last Christmas?

That'll be that Gordon Brown who I never voted for then, or Blair for that matter. Are you going to mention him selling all the gold too? And I think he did listen to her, he just thought what she said was bollocks..... I know how he feels...

Seeing as May was Home Secretary and thus responsible for immigration, I think in view of the events of the last week she could possibly be deemed to have been fuckin useless at her job and to have partly caused the shit storm we're currently going through..

Wasn't the labour needed then, pre banking crisis?...

The very sort of jobs you were claiming were part of a Tory success story at some point in the last 7 days? The likes of Mike Ashley needs these people. The fellah who was all for Brexit and invited Nigel and his bus in to speak to the workers at his factory where 50% of them were Polish he needs them too. You're fond of saying that trade won't stop, Europe won't stop selling to us, I think the same goes for labour too, I think all this talk of "taking back control" can't be delivered. You've been sold a pup iyam.

I don't really understand what you're getting at here. I'll try and ask a different way, how do you think the economy would look without the influx of immigrant labour that won the referendum for the Brexit campaign?

Do you think major cities would be able to run basic services and deliver construction projects without them? Ex stock broker Farage has lead people rather up the garden path on this I feel. His old mates in the city would struggle a bit without them too...

And another thing while I'm at it..... Goves wife is a columnist at the UKs biggest selling tabloid and the worlds most widely read news website. Is that actually good for democracy or should we ask "Dacre and Murdoch"? As an ex journo himself It'll be like having Richard fuckin Littlejohn as PM.

Ask him who was the prime minister that allowed it even though they had a veto when FOM was enshrined at Maastricht in 92?

Labour leadership election utterly pointless...what's left of their vote are the ones who voted Corbyn in the first place. As for the Bullingdon bullshitters who caused this weeks car crash, neither of them will be around at the top of politics again. This pair of self serving wankers need to ask themselves if it was all worth it. Randomly This week I've been thinking this pair are from the "ruling class", impeccable top class pedigrees, but appear to be lacking even the slightest evidence of common sense. Blair went to public school but it was nothing like Eton, council estate kids in Edinburgh can get scholarships fairly easily to Fettes, my high school played rugby against them ffs,and he only went to Durham uni. I think I'm right in saying that the previous PMs going back to the mid 60s were mostly all grammar school kids who did well. Even that old witch Thatcher looks a model of pragmatism and clear thinking (ignoring her cut all decisions and policies obviously) compared the these over privileged fuck ups. The best education money can buy and we end up in this fuckin mess..

The son of an Aberdonian trawler owner. It basically means he's so tight with money he squeaks when he walks.

We went to Croatia on holiday in 2013, I've never been so profoundly affected by anywhere in my life, we did a couple of day trips into Bosnia, the trip to Mostar is one I'll never forget a song as I I've,we were there round about the anniversary of the Srebenica massacre. I was brought up six miles into Scotland at the foot of the Cheviots, the independence referendum was a year away and the parallels in some ways were alarming. I agree armed hostilities are pretty unlikely to say the least, but that's only due to lack of weapons. It also has to be added that the paramilitaries in Northern Ireland were wandering into bars and slaughtering punters sat having a pint in the mid nineties when the Balkans were at war too. It just takes a bit more if this to turn the screw a bit more..

Nandy fits the bill in a way, young gobby Manc Am pretty sure Kier Starmer was the Blair governments legal advisor when the Iraq war vote was held....after Chilcott he may be damaged goods, but in light of the events of the last week fuck knows how all that will turn out in the wash...

Yet, somewhat ironically, the very same treacherous fucktards who are trying to force him out were the ones who lost the support of their core vote. It was over when Corbyn took the reigns because of them turning the party not to the centre ground but into slightly more socially conscious Tories. I agree with some of what Renton says but whether he agrees or not the perception among working class Brexit voters is that Labour turned its back on its heartlands over a decade ago. That's the problem and what's left of the Labour electorate aren't having any more of it. It's a mess, a split is the best thing for everyone so they can plough their own furrows.

He's not the solution to a United Labour Party but seeing as the entire uk pretty much think they're not fit for purpose whoever is leading them then its all a bit irrelevent Let the split happen, if enough of the Blairites go to the Lin Dems they may stand a chance next year on a complelty pro Europe ticket, I think the last week has scared enough of the Brexit voting "persuaderbles" that this is a bad idea and maybe there'll be another austerity friendly hung parliament Jezzas mob needs someone in their thirties who's not a career politician that has the wit charm and charisma to make a good anti neo liberalism case to the people of all the UK. Fuck knows who's daft enough to take that on though...

Maybe the rumours about Matt Ritchie from Bournemouth maybe close to the mark if Townsend is off.....not a lot of pace but grafts hard and delivers a nice ball, bit like a low rent Beckham? Scores his fair share but didnt really seem take his full back on either last season, or in the odd occasion I've seen him for Scotland. If he comes maybe Rafa can improve aspects of his game as he does have ability.

He did call the austerity of your former darlings Dave and Geordie bullshit so it's a bit if a score draw tbh..