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its just exposes the lies of leave even more, either way it was a vote for no change whatsoever. How is May going to get immigration down when even Norway has FoM as part of its deal? how is that vile cow who's come from nowhere going to be looking out for the people of Sunderland or Hartlepool when she's backed by a Channel Islands based hedge fund? The whole thing is fuckin horseshit.

If the PLP get their way, perhaps Eagle is a patsy for a "3rd" candidate, Burnham or someone who will get possibly 2/3rds of the vote?

It's just a fight over the name now. Sad it's cone to this but at least there's a groundswell among a significant minority that realise things have to radically change in this country. Good luck to them/us.

According to Kinnock quoting the current Labour Party rules, Jezza can't run as a candidate for his own position unless he's got the support of 20% of the PLP. Fuck knows where that leaves them apart from approaching poop passage, "sans oars"....

We played tennis by smacking a hedgehog to each other across the road with some spades we pinched from the council workmen while they were having their bait....try telling that to kids nowadays though...

Bournemouth have 15 million bid accepted by Liverpool for Jordan Ibe..... that could be a very decent replacement for Ritchie, only 3 million smackers...

Think it was on after match of the day....when Starsky and Hutch was having a break, obviously....

ooh you are awful Alex

I think Blairs first cabinet had bags of talent. Their mandate was enormous and they could spray money around with abandon. I do know what you mean that they properly tried to make people's lives better. I worked on an extension to a cottage hostpital in the East Devon town of Honiton. Place a bit like Alnwick. The local health board had this done for a renal unit, so local folk in need of dyalisis wouldn't need to go 30 miles to either Exeter or Dorchester. We were there at the opening, I met the folk from the health board, local Labour Party bods and the patients who to a man/woman said this would make their lives immeasurably better. I do think though the country turned against them once the likes of Mandelson ended up in and out of the cabinet, Campbell being so powerful but unelected, and of course the decision on the war. It's gone now though. We have to start doing things completely differently iyam.

Thanks for putting that up, remember it well. A link to Charlie Kennedys speech opposing the war in it too. The fact we had two such eloquent, statesman like individuals at the forefront of Westminster not much more than a decade ago seems a long way from the present frontline of bigots, oppurtunists,no hopers and dreamers. Am sure there was plenty back then too tbh, but ffs that seems like a different century.

I imagine Cook was brought into it because he resigned from the cabinet over its support for the invasion of Iraq.

I've had a good read through this now....I think Blair and Campbell have lied to themselves more than they lied to the British people on this. They've lied to themselves about the evidence to go to war so much that it has become "their truth". So they can go into press conferences yesterday and blatantly claim not to have mislead us because that's the very thing they've convinced themselves of. Chilcott rejects the evidence out of hand, he says there was no need to invade as Saddam wasn't a threat and he also says the UK goverment should've tested the evidence more before putting it to Parliament. I'm not a lawyer but I think given the "honest guv, that is wot we fort" defence that Blair is taking, it makes a war crime difficult to prove. Which Blair, as a very clever advocate himself, probably knew all along. I think we'll have to accept that the report blatantly rinses him on every single aspect of the invasion, and that he's responsible for the deaths of 176 UK service men and women, also the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed in the subsequent sectarian war that followed which Chilcott plainly states he was fully informed about and was aware of pre invasion. But he didn't lie....to us anyway...that much...

Agreed, Both much better when paired with Dabizas

I was thinking exactly the same, sat amongst the piss bottles of the San Siro Neither of them out the top draw, neither of them as bad as some would have it.

I remember an interview he did after we got promoted last time, he said "NUFC never stopped feeling like a big club"...I liked that at the time and I think he's another non -Geordie who "got it" about the club and its support. He blotted his copybook on numerous occasions but I'll always think well of him overall. Think he personally sponsored the Trusts' disabled supporters club in his own too.

Isnt your conclusion at the end of this post a blatant contradiction? "Radical measures" isn't more neo liberal bullshit that got us into the state were in now, it's just more of the same. I understand your "least worse option" (that's pretty much how I voted) thing but there's 10s of millions who voted for some sort of change and as a result we're out of the EU. There's huge swathes of this country in which, for for dozens of communities', their "reason for existing" has vanished. They're the ones who voted out, they're the ones who will get no change pretty much regardless of how they voted. I don't see that as being any choice whatsoever. If this MOTR party gets started am sure it will attract a lot of voters, but can you envisage that they'd change anything in a significant way, should they get into power?

Didn't someone start saying in this thread about reading more of "the classics" but not having time to get round to it?.... I've just taken up the baton here and finished "the 39 steps" by John Buchan, which was predictably very good, very short ( attention span not great) and free from kindle store The book I read before that will surely will am sure one day be held in the same esteem by the global literati, Ray Winstone's account of his East End youth, kneesupmuvvabraaan-tastic

She's got a point, however, as mentioned last week there's a bigger picture... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-chilcot-report-latest-news-alex-salmond-a7116926.html Don't know if he'll walk off into the sunset by Friday, I think I would if I was him though...

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It's in the post

Did it say how likely that was?.... It's the one thing the Scots Nats haven't really considered , what sort of EU they're in such a rush to join. I think after the last 18 months there's at least the same chance of France leaving if they're given the chance to vote on it.

I do know all about it because I work(ed) with these lads every day for over a decade, so you are talking precisely about me and the (self) employment environment I work in. I was on £16-55 an hour, 45 hours a week = £744-75, less 20% CIS tax @ source= £595 per week. Semi skilled ( as most immigrant Labour still is in my trade, you need a good grasp of English to pass the exams) they earn about £12. The time my wages went down and work became tricky ( recently) was when the banks crashed 2008-9ish, which am sure even you wouldn't blame the Poles for Rates have gone up about £1-50 to £2 an hour since I've been away this year too. I expect next year they'll come tumbling down again though, I'll let you fill in the blanks why. Your claims are baseless, you plainly know nothing about this game but are trying to claim that you do, why is that?

People who bandy the word "racist" around regularly are usually jumping to conclusions that don't bare a lot of scrutiny.... Are people who share Britain First posts on Facebook racist?...some openly are, most are just a bit thick and wound up by the media, leading them to the ballot box...

OK you're now precisely talking about me.....as a qualified sparky what do you think I was getting an hour on my last contract before last Christmas?

That'll be that Gordon Brown who I never voted for then, or Blair for that matter. Are you going to mention him selling all the gold too? And I think he did listen to her, he just thought what she said was bollocks..... I know how he feels...