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Thankyou for spelling my post out.

Andy Carroll, Nile Ranger, Kadar, Tozer, Edgar, Krul, Vuckic and Tavernier have all played come through over the last 2 seasons. I don't think we won't give promising players an opportunity, i just don't think the players are coming through, we haven't produced a decent central midfielder since Lee Clark.. Iirc there have been no examples in recent years of young players we've released who've gone on to play at the top level. Of the players you've named there only Andy Carroll has been given more than a handful of games in the first team. Of the rest the majority have played a handful of games or less for the first side. Ranger for example looked to be getting a chance to figure in the first team, and then in January Best was purchased. Kadar despite looking good whenever played couldn't get in the side ahead of a short term loanee in Fitz Hall. Vukic and Inman despite playing exceptionally well in the reserve/youth setup can't get into the first side even on the bench. Granted some of these players aren't vey old, but ifthey can't get a spot on the bench whilst we're in he Championship then what chance do they have in he Premier League? I think in part we're still suffering from the decimation of the youth setup as overseen by Shepherd. With the youth setup removed only players in the first team were considered with no real a emir to progress through. The paths are slowly being reopened, but so far it has been too slow for my liking.

If goal keepers started standing still they wouldn't save 15% of penalties let alone 33.3%

Over the last 5+ years we've really sucked at giving opportunities to promising players coming through with player like Nicky Butt and Geremi favoured becauseof their experience (which now includes relegation). That needs to improve greatly.

He's a nice bloke CT noone would deny that, however you could have drawn a comparison between him and your milkman if that was what you were basing the comparison on.

In the wash of this incident I'm actually glad the club handled it the way they did. For once keeping tight lipped worked in their favour. The fact that we're only a championship side no doubt lessened the media focus on the whole fiasco. Nonetheless it will be interesting to see what future lies ahead for Taylor. If he uses this as an excuse to piss off, he'll show himself as a complete shit talker. Time will tell. They're grown men they should be able to deal with this.

The problem with the Ashley/Llambias version of the plan is that as soon as one of the young players delivers on their promise they're sold. There's not much of a future in that.

Geordie Lad's ratings - 5 started well, but quickly lost it

Does seem to be the case with Jonas and Routledge. Seems a luxury for us to have two wide players who are capable of terrorising opposing defenses. Top draw finish from Nolan. Amazing how one of the poorer athletes in the side becomes a fantastic athlete in the box. Certainly has his scoring instincts back.

Pretty sad of them to carry on like that, shows just how much it's hurting them that we're coming back.

Can see why Routledge has never settled at a side. Masterclass of finishing! Great to see Morgan penalised for the foul. I'm sure he gets away with worse most of the time, but it's a penalty and he can have no complaint. Moronic of him to do it when already warned by the ref, but moronic behaviour from a moronic player is hardly surprising. We should have been a couple of goals up from the chances created but I feel we should be able to go on and win this. Anything less would be a bit of an anticlimax.

Colo hasn't had a meaningful part to play in the Argentinian side for some time now. At a pinch might get into he squad. It will take a number of injuries for him to play any sort of minutes for them.

Even if you can't see his direct value to the side I'd not sell Jonas. He forms part of the Spanish speaking connection along with Coloccini and our strongest player Enrique. Selling him could very well upset that balance, not something we want to do recklessly after building it over the last season. Otherwise the other movements are all acceptable if superior players are bought. That's the one thing we're all having problems beleiving with the current owner. Forgetting the mistakes that ultimately lead to our premier league demise largely the right moves have been made in terms of the player market. The off-season will be the real test, one that will ultimately signal the intentions of he owner. If he hasn't learnt a lesson from his lack of investment in the past then he's clearly got no hope.

Can't wait for this. I'd imagine the atmosphere will be cracking and will help in getting our players performing at their best. It will be interesting to see who Chris prefers out of Shola and Carroll if Andy is fit. Hopefully he doesn't try to play them together at the expense of Lovenkrands.

Amen.

Team spirit is piss easy when you're more or less playing vastly inferior teams each week and as a result you're winning most of your matches. The leadership of same players next season (minus Butt who surely won't be here) will disappear in a flash if the going gets tough. If they had that within the team last season then the team would not have been relegated. I can appreciate any positive effect that they may have had at various times throughout the season, but on the whole this thread is a joke. Butt and Smith had nought choice but to stay and play if thy wanted to collect their inflated wages. If they're going to have to be here anyway it's in their best interests to have an enjoyable atmosphere at the club. To think that they were Doug it for anything more than their own damaged sense of pride is naive.

I honestly don't give a toss what you think about me, but if you're stupid enough to think that the English league would be as strong as it is without foreign money then good luck to you. Try to offer something constructive in your posts for a change, and who knows you might change the common perception you've built for yourself. That's the end of my comments on this, but if it makes you feel any better feel free to be as racist and xenophobic as you like In your response.

It really has been a classic fall from grace within the context of this season for Leeds. They'd want to arrest the slide quick smart if they want to do anymore than go out of the playoffs without a whimper.

How predictable do you want to be? Take a look at the revenue streams from the top clubs and see how much of he money comes from foreign soil. Might be a bit of a wake up call to you, you xenophobe. I don't have to justify myself to you but for three seasons prior to the current one in the premier league I've seen just about every single Newcastle United premierleague match (honestly would have not seen less that 5 over that time). Before it was possible to watch so many of our matches over here I watched all of the televised ones. Of course I appreciate that I may not have the same understanding of the area and even the history of the side what I have is a very firm grip of the current fortunes of the club both off and on the pitch. The money I pay for subscription TV forms part of the TV rights money afforded Premierleague and even championship sides. The money I've spent on countless DVDs, scarves, jerseys, beanies, flags etc in part would all made it's way back to the club. All you do is make pointless smart arsed remarks about the club and harp back to previous regimes that bear no relevance to the game today. So, as I was saying if you have nothing constructive to say, shut the fuck up. I know that a certain level

I hope you come to realise how naive and gullible you're being. If Butt had any real concern for the clubs welfare he would have paid back his wages from last season and pissed off this season. Smith should be on wages at most 1/3 of what he is currently getting.

it's easy isn't it ? Keep the books right, no matter what, as Pud says, sell some of our best players and replace them with inferior cheaper quality and make a profit. And get relegated. So you quite plainly don't have an answer. Then here's some advice - shut the fuck up until you have something constuctive to say.

You could make a case for Harper based on loyalty, on Smith based on tenacity in the first half of the season and on Nolan based on his important goals, but with Butt you've got nothing. At a pinch you could say his best contribution was filling the bench because it meant he wasn't on the pitch. This thread has the strench of a wum.

Leazes, I'm keen to hear what you think should be done with the club now. Specifically what should be done, what money should be spent and how the money spent should be funded (ie. How could he hit of he temporary debt be structured so that in the years to come it will be manageable). I really look forward to your response.