OTF

Deserved goal from then, we've been horrible and this has been a horrible watch. Danny Guthrie kicked the fucking ground and lost the ball as as result. Oh boy. They score as a result. He's injured himself as well.

Campbell and LOvenkrands conspire to mark each other out of a good chance on goal from amazingly a good Danny Guthrie free-kick.

Get Guthrie off.

Great pass from Campbell, good cross from Jonas, good hand from Carson to take it off Lovenkrands head.

At least HUghton's showing some enthusiasm from the sidelines barking orders.

And here's a yellow for Guthrie for a completely idiotic challenge.

Tiote lucky not to get a yellow there, one of the stupid things I've talked about in other threads. Andy Carroll is not having a good game, alwasy wanting to shoot when there's better options available.

Powered header from Geordie Steve draws a good save out of Carson. Decent ball from Guthrie to find Routledge in space and decent cross from Routledge. At the other end Krul's swatting flies in the box, thankfully Scharner wasn't up to the finish.

The way Danny Guthrie's free-kicks have been going getting a throw in from a corner is a result. We've started the half with some more enthusiasm at least, here's hoping it continues.

Chris isn't blind and SHola has been hoisted. His replacement oddly enough is Peter Lovenkrands.

The most important change Hughton has to make is our attitude, it's pathetic, we're lethargic and uninterested out there letting them play their game and scarcely offering up anything of own own. Jonas and Guthrie in particular need to up their involvement and work rate, Shola too but he fully deserves to be replaced for prancing around out there like he's the Amir of Qatar at a FIFA get together.

I think Routledge has been our best player out there. Actually looks energetic unlike the rest of our lot. Need a rocket put up them at the half. Shola off and Ranger on I'd say. At least Ranger will move about the pitch with some enthusiasm.

It's ridiculous the ball is scarce getting to Guthrie and Tiote, we should be moving it to them as much as possible. They're defending fron the front and our central defenders aren't able to bring the ball out like Coloccini is normally able to do. Commentators making a case for an offside player interfering in their goal. Stretching tbh, though he was offside.

Unsurprisingly casual isn't working, here's hoping this springs us into action.

Ameobi makes his claim for the most casual player title. Somehow it backfires as we win a corner.

...and Sol is leading the most casual player out there competition. Spared blushes by a poor finish from them.

It's almost like our players are having a competition as to who can look the most casual out there.

Commentators have already shown they know nothing.

Far from semantics. Deserve is an emotive word, my arguments for the absurdity of the decision is grounded in logic pure and simple. You don't come across as stupid or ignorant, but here you're being nothing but.

Where did I say that? Straight out of the LeazesMag school of argumentation TBH. It's always been my point that money should be spent on developing the game in places that don't have the existing infrastructure and resources in place.

Yep, so far as I know.

This should be a good attacking game. They were the one team last year in the Championship that we never really got a handle on, and like us this time around they have had mixed results. Hopeful of a win but I think it may be a score draw. I think we should see Barton in the middle alongside Tiote, I just hope Hughton leaves Routledge on the right instead of using Guthrie there. A bit of pace outwide could unsettle their fullbacks.

You act as though there is some sort of entitlement to have it in the Middle East. Why? Firstly it makes scarce sense to live in the desert let alone host a World Cup there in the middle of a scorching summer. Without the oil and natural resources of the area they would not have even had a look in at hosting the World Cup, you can't deny that. Ergo, the decision was made based on natural resrouces and had nothing to do with football. Egypt is in Africa, but who cares this is the World Cup, not the Middle Eastern Cup, or the African Cup or the European Cup. If you were deciding where to host the event the criteria needs to be spelt out. There is no comparison between the Qatar bid and that of America or Australia, or even Korea. Simple logic should have ruled it out at the first hurdle. Playing soccer in the middle of a desert does not make sense. Put it indoors and make the ticket prices inaccessable to locals and why does it matter that it's in the Middle East? Answer - It doesn't! So again why have it there? A World Cup in Australia or Asia opens up the timings to the lucrative and booming Asian market which emcompasses the majority of the World's population (China 1.3b, India 1.1b, Indonesi 240m, Bangladesh 160b etc) numbers which obviously dwarf those of the Middle Eest where the largest population is Iran with 71m (Turkey which you ruled out of the Middle East has 73m, Egypt 77m), after theat Iraq is the next biggest with 31m. As a reminder Qatar has 1.6m, a small percentage of which are actually Qatari. ...and don't get me started on their 'carbon neutral' stadiums. How carbon neutral is a stadium that was built on money from oil? They're having a laugh. On top of that how carbon neutral is actually building a stadium for no pupose other than to host an event that could easily have been hosted elsewhere where the stadiums already exist and actually serve an ongoing purpose? Qhat about the envrionmental and financial cost of shipping in the materials and migrant workers to put it together? Then the cost of disassembling it, shipping it elsewhere and putting it back together! Carbon neutral my fucking arse.

Just imagine if every Qatari riyal and Russian ruble that will be spent was redirected towards developing the fundamental infrastructure and resources required to play the game in impoverished countries whilst the World Cup was hosted in places where the underlying infrastructure and venues are more or less already present. In Russia at least there can be a legacy from their World Cup with the improved grounds, training facilities etc, but in Qatar what's the point when you have such a minute population and live in a desert? If it truly was a World Cup for the middle east then they should have bid together for it and leveraged their collective resources - fat chance of that happening! ...and I love how they talk about how the ground will be zero carbon emitting, what about all the carbon emissions required to build them in the first place? Or to deconstruct them immendiately after the World Cup because there's no ongoing use for them, or to rebuild them elsewhere in the World?

It will no doubt be a spectacle because no expense will be spared, but that's hardly the point. How exactly this will be good for the middle east as a whole is beyond me, because the hatred amongst countries in the middle east is essentially ingrained in their people from birth. No doubt the Qatari elite will use this as bragging rights over their neighbours. Seriously the facilities that would be required to foster Football participation that's accessable to all Qatari's is excessive. What's next? Antarctica? Why not? The Qatar World Cup will essentially be an indoors event so the actual venue is more or less irrelevant. Likewise it will be irrelevant to the non-elite Qatar and general middle eastern population who won't be able to afford to go to matches. That's before you even consider the general feeling in Qatar towards women. I mean seriously, any Qatar women who wishes to work in her own country needs to register in order to be able to legally do so. Firstly though the company must make an application in order to employ a woman. Anyway, FIFA is beyond a joke, the corruption there is obvious. The whole selection process is ridiculous.