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Rooney yelling at the camera: "Fucking what? ...Why...Fucking Hell" Clearly audible (the second part anyway), wonder what that was about. Looked pissed, which you wouldn;t expect having just scored a hat-trick in less than 20 minutes to take your side to the lead from 2-0 down.

Man Utd penalty from an Upson handball.. looked hind of harsh. Rooney from the spot for the hat-trick... 2-3

2-2 Rooney again. Obviously got his shooting boots on. Crappy defending from Upson, but Rooney took proper advantage of it with a quality finish. Hard to see West Ham holding on here, have to ride out the storm at the moment. Berbatov shot on..

I'd say in the early stages they will look to pressure Ferguson, hope he can stick to his defensive duties this time around and come through the early stages unscathed.

Cracking free-kick from Rooney to claw one back, should be an interesting conclusion...

It's a tough decision. If Ranger starts he'll need to come off because he seems to lose direction after a little while. He's effective when fresh then it seems to go to pieces. Lovenkrands doesn't impose himself much or at all. He makes the runs and sometimes gets in good positions, but when you don't have great passers to pick him out he seldom gets much meaningful involvement. Looking forward to this with nervous trepidation.

Undoubtedly.

He has had to absorb some of it through necessary loans that would otherwise have been drawing substantial amounts of interest. The total debt of the club has no doubt increased substantially, though it's obviously much better if that debt is interest free which it is currently. Ashley is in a catch-22 situation where his money is tied up in the club. If he wants to get it back he''ll have to sell the club. This won't be possible without turning the books around to be returning a profit instead of compounding losses on losses. That's what they're seemingly attempting to do, the difficult balance is trying to do that whilst maintaining and enhancing the profile and league position of the club. No doubt there's elements of fudge-work in the figures, but they're yearly figures and the loss total should be accurate not allowing for any additional debt accrued to write off losses.

Lets get a few things straight. We had £60-70m of long-term debt that wasn't on demand- it was in place (IIRC) until 2014. It only had to be repaid because the club was sold. So in other words, it had to be repaid. The ground additions were to be paid off £4.5m a year until 2016. By 2007, prior to Ashely buying the club they were already paying £7.3m in interest alone, almost 40% of which had nothing to do with the stadium enhancements, and in fact the debt grew wildly despite your claim of additional revenue from the addition of seats and corporate boxes. The net debt in 2007 was £70m, the interest payable on top of that figure. The figure had increased from 38 million just two years before, well after all of the stadium enhancements were completed and the associated repayment was finalised (payable until 2016). The prevailing truth of the finances of the club seem to be that we were poorly run prior to Mike Ashley buying the club, and we're poorly run now. The club deserves to be in a much worse position than we are now as a result of the recent mismanagement by Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias, but despite this we've somehow found ourselves in a relatively strong financial position in comparison to other mid table clubs. This is largely by virtue of our much larger stadium, attendance and profile which facilitates a higher turnover. There has been some good things done by the current owner, namely the reigning in of the excessive wage bill (largely forced upon him by relegation) and the reduction in general running costs. Undoubtedly a lot of damage has been done to the Newcastle United brand since a few years prior to Mike Ashley, but Ashley not only took the ball and ran with it, he blasted it to a new level.

That's typical bullshit. The money from Carroll's sale has nothing to do with our existing squad. You can't claim to be replacing him with players that are already in the fucking squad and play in different positions. They might as well just say the 35m is being spent on paying our players wages, and because of a shortfall of 15m we've had to sell Enrique, Jonas and Barton. If they're only going to spend 10 or 20m of the Carroll money then just be upfront and open about it, instead of trying to dodgy up the numbers and effectively lie once again to the media and your supporters.

That's a key stat I would say. On the face of it looking at the bottom line only the fall to the Championship didn't cost us that much as we were already losing that amount of money. We've shed some of our overpaid watses of space and have a more realistic wage bill if we can increase our turnover. This should go without saying as the increase in TV and Media revenue should be more than £20m. 2010 (Championship) Turnover: £52.4m Wages: £47.5m (90.6% of turnover) Operating Costs: £74.4m TV & Media: £16m Loss: £33.5m Profit from players: £16.4m Overall Loss: £17.1m 2009 (Premier League) Turnover: £86.1m Wages: £71.1m (82.6% of turnover) Operating Costs: £98m TV & Media: £37.6m Keegan Compensation: £5.3m Loss: £37.7m Profit from players: ?? Overall Loss: £15.2m 2008 (Premier League) Income: £99m Wages: £73m Hall & Shepherd Compensation: £2.1m Allardyce Compensation: £4.7m Loss: £31.3m Profit from players: £10.8m Overall Loss: £20.5m Should be easier to compile a more accurate set of accounts for these years..

...And the season has come to relishing unavailabilities in the Wolves side.

I'm sure there's loads of PMs linking to old streams hanging around. Was hoping this was going to be about cleaning up some members.... I'd say if certain members stopped with the massive quote pyramids, and/or just linked to their standard reply there'd be plenty of savings.

Be careful, I'll be posting a rating of you as a footballer come Sunday night! Steady on! I'm returning from a skillectomy...

He's not bad, though it really is impossible to judge someone from their time in the A-League. There's some players that look great in shit leagues and shit anywhere else, then there's some that look good in shit leagues and good in good leagues. I think though, for his developmental sake he'll need to leave Aus ASAP if he wants to kick on and be our next big hope. He'd be worth a look in training, but a long way from having any involvement in the first team. I should have prefaced that by saying that I unfortunately find the A-League very hard to watch in anything more than small doses. There's the odd good game, but for the most part... hmm.

Yes. Though I wasn't one of them.

Even with Carroll we should have been looking to get a new striker in.

Defensively not very good, but showed some promise in attack. He had an attempted cross saved off the line.

Keep Colo at the back, very good at playing the ball out instead of hoofing it. Our other options will just hoof it.

Indeed. Worrying stuff.

The challenge is to find the positive in the 4-0 loss that sees one key player reinjured and another suspended needlessly for two matches.

This game has the definite stench of 2008-09 about it.

Only we could make Walters look any good.

Jonas clearly upset about having to come on as it will mess up his freshly primped and blow-dried hair.

Ferguson canny run there, shame he didn't have a right foot at the end.