SloopJohn

this heat - not waving

wasn't that sung by the cardigans? one of the worst gags ever.

for peterborough wor £20 for an adult bt thats no excuse, even if everton were charging £100! lets face it we all know who have the most loyal fans September, 2000. Newcastle 2-0 Leyton Orient = 37,284 (Worthington Cup, 2nd Round, 1st Leg) Leeds 6-0 Besiktas = 34,435 (Champions League Group Stage) WE ARE LEEDS reaction on reading the above post:

fuck off.

are you an ateaser? Would you care you emulate on that? ateaseweb.com you know no.1 radiohead fan site

are you an ateaser?

i don't know how to react to this.

give the lad a chance!! he just lifted it from his Personal Statement for his Uni application

Advertising. Exposure. Which has lead to a mindset that films (and this applies to music too) if not popular or reknown aren't worth bothering with. A generally popular view that 'new = better'. People accepting cinema as something that purely exists to entertain and judging films on these qualities. A distinct lack of British cinema culture. The ridiculous idea that foreign films are boring because they have subtitles. The materialistic bent of society and education which has lead to a culture that is obsessed with the fleeting and superficial... I'm coming off badly in this thread aren't I?

my Top 10 in no order; Mirror [Andrei Tarkovsky] Andrei Rublev [Andrei Tarkovsky] The Sacrifice [Andrei Tarkovsky] Ordet [Carl Theodor Dreyer] Winter Light [ingmar Bergman] The Trial Of Joan Of Arc [Robert Bresson] Death In Venice [Luciano Visconti] Mother & Son [Alexander Sokurov] City Lights [Charles Chaplin] The End Of Summer [Yasujiro Ozu]

I disagree. I think films that honestly question and explore the profound human issues; hopes, fears, dissapointments, dreams, belief; issues that everyone of our epoch fundamentally shares (such as Andrei Rublev and Ordet), are films that truly appeal to humanity in general and on a much wider scale than The Dark Knight or Blade Runner could ever fathom to do. These films try to please their audiences with explosions, expensive set pieces, famous actors - but all it shows is that the filmmakers (the producers, director, cinematographer) have no respect for his audience because all they are doing by making such films is training the audience to insure their own income, not training them by giving them works of art that will inspire.

It's time for a Sloop top ten like. I reckon it could give Parky's list a run for its money in the pretension stakes.

the list is a complete joke. it's almost offensively bad. rublev at 36 is good to see though.

i'll do one later

that's the film they go and see in Annie Hall isn't it? Aye. I put that on after. "Boy, those guys in the French Resistance were really brave, you know? Got to listen to Maurice Chevalier sing so much."

that's the film they go and see in Annie Hall isn't it?

faust - faust iv

battleship potemkin?

Some good starting points are Orbital (just about any album really but Snivilisation or In Sides might be a good starting point also the 'Green' album - untitled but with a green cover aka 'Orbital I' which has the tunes 'Belfast' and 'Chime' which are two of the best electronic tunes of all-time imo); Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works '85-'92; Mixmaster Morris aka Irresistible Force - It's Tomorrow Already which is nice and chilled; Derrick May's Innovator compilation is quality an an introduction to 'proper' Detroit Techno; for crossover appeal I'd recommend the aforementioned Air, especially Moon Safari along with Nightmares On Wax (especially 'Car Boot Soul' and 'Smokers Delight') plus Portishead and Massive Attack ('Blue Lines' in particular); the Artificial Intelligence compilations are a good intro to the WARP techno label. There's loads of other stuff I could recommend too if you like any of that lot. Has anybody checked out the new Paul (or was it Phil?) Hartnoll album btw? He's one half of the now defunct Orbital? I've just bought it and I'm just getting into it. Quite 'soundtrack' like. Edit: Underworld as well - Dubnobasswithmyheadman and Second Toughest In The Infants Good post...you've mentioned two of the very, very best in In Sides and Dubnobasswithmyheadman. These two albums would probably be in my top 5, electronic or otherwise, of all time. 10 more essential electronic purchases IMO would be: 1. 'Tri Repetae' | Autechre 2. '76:14' | Global Communication 3. 'Substrata' | Biosphere 4. 'Music Has The Right To Children' or 'Geogaddi' | Boards Of Canada 5. 'Ascend' | Manual 6. 'Haunt Me, Haunt Me, Do It Again' | Tim Hecker 7. 'Kesto (234.48:4)' | Pan Sonic 8. 'Afro Finger & Gel' | Mu 9. 'Lifeforms' | The Future Sound Of London 10. 'Momentum' | Monolake this is an extremely good list. i've heard everything on here bar Ascend,and they're all excellent. although Kesto is quite a tricky listen at first (that's the understatement of the century). Aaltoporii maybe a better place to start with Pan Sonic. another ten essential electronica albums: Fennesz | Endless Summer Keith Fullerton Whitman | Lisbon Autechre | Amber Murcof | Remembranza Oval | Ovalcommers Bowery Electric | Beat Isolée | Wearemonster Lustmord | Heresy Stars Of The Lid | And Their Refinement Of The Decline William Basinski | Melancholia