Howay

Holt is one that really shouldn’t bother with the topic tbh. Between that old tweet and his prior with the boxing in SA, aye maybe just stay quiet on this and leave it to the other journalists.

Aye that would be the counterpoint. Like I say I see a difference between that and sportswashing, as I see sportswashing as making their image softer and more welcoming rather than just aligning/combining brand with the club - I think doing that wouldn’t particularly change the view of them and arguably is counter to that goal since it could be a more in your face thing that riles people up and conjures up thoughts about SA directly rather than the UAE/Qatar moves where they don’t particularly tie that imagery to the clubs.

I would say it’s more so the attacks on the fans through the guise of attacking sportswashing, but I do think them going on about every little thing that happens helps turn many away from their point too, if you wanted to show that somebody did something annoying so your way of doing it was to follow their mates about constantly pointing out any annoying thing the person did, no matter how small, the people you’re trying to convince would get annoyed by you. For me it starts to belittle their own point and makes it noise/discontent rather than really highlighting or proving things. Remember this shirt hasn’t even officially been released yet, and this is the way they’re going on. I personally don’t even see this as sportswashing. I think sportswashing moves are more like big money signings, getting good favor from fans (such as moving the Shearer statue, renaming the bar etc), tours abroad. Would this be a move to sell more shirts in SA and perhaps show the SA ‘brand’ off? Yeah but I associate sportswashing more with trying to clean their image through the sport with activities like I mentioned above, which I don’t see how having a similar change kit to their national team kit really does. There’s probably an argument that it is but I just think it’s more them doing something they want to do rather than a sportswashing move, not that it stops the journos who are chomping to call anything and everything sportswashing. I can’t help but feel the saying Castore thought to do it is a bit of an out being used, maybe even done knowing it’ll annoy these same journalists.

Thought he was. He can comment all he likes regarding sportswashing but I just always take note of the journalists that immediately attack fans. For me they clearly don’t have any interest in the sportswashing debate and just want to use it as a tool to attack fans/express their jealousy.

This is exactly what I mean btw. Immediately going at fans, creating this us v them sentiment which they will then be outraged about. It’s an away kit you twat, we had highlighter yellow and orange ones under Ashley. The best part is that, while they’d have done it anyway, we have had a green and white away kit in the past so his point is even worse . If these people were genuinely worried about sportswashing they wouldn’t throw around these sort of quips and lazy, pathetic trolling statements. If he really wants to discuss why Mike Ashley was disliked he should imagine what it’s like if his clubs new owners earliest moves were to hire not one, but two club legends as managers of the club, mug them off, blame them and force them out the club before taking down any connection they have with the club - that was just the first couple of years but sure something about changing the colour of away or third kit. I’m also fairly sure this bloke is a chelsea fan, a club which very recently had a very Russian themed away kit while owned by a Russian puppet.

Could go either way I guess. I don’t think they’d have ever let it go mind, which is why I think it’s more a long term plan to make the changes and take the outrage now rather than 3-5 years time. The other side to this, if we want to launch into the whole sportswashing debate, is the journalists fuming over EVERYTHING like this also aids SA’s sportswashing agenda (or whatever the journalists will call it). If they’re going to attack every single thing the club does while the club go about their business in a professional manner that leans into/creates connections with the fans, it quickly creates this us v them mentality which we are already starting to see. I’m not saying avoid talking about it but they have to be reasonable, fair and targeted with their discussion - going after every single thing the club does and then also screaming “you show sportswashing works” at every single Newcastle fan that says they’re not bothered by this, or that it makes sense that this happened, isn’t helping “defend” sportswashing, as I say it’s just pushing people more into it.

This is where I think the journalists that scream sportswashing at everything the club have done are playing into SA hands. Their outrage is so predictable now that SA has preempted it. I saw someone on Twitter questioning why they’d do this now since we are poor so won’t get full advantage since people abroad would only care when we are a top side, but they’re getting this outrage out the way now. They’ll make this type of kit a staple and by the time we are a top side no one will give a shit.

Mr Bore steamrolling in again. While I’m sure there are some “defending” it from what I’ve seen most are just saying they’re indifferent to it or “what did you all expect” type responses. No shock that this poisonous prick is chomping at the bit to make a sly implication about our fan base before he backs away saying it’s not what he meant. His posts have been acting like this kit is some veiled move by SA that people are missing it’s blatantly fucking obvious, it’s just the fact of the matter is it’s not really worth getting wound up about is it?

I’d have thought it may have made it less likely? Given all the related party sponsorship shite. Either way I think it’ll streamline things a little as he will probably be closer/more hands on than Al Rummayyan, so a more accessible PiF decision maker.

Always nice to know everything the club does winds this bong eyed cunt up.

Interesting idea and statistics.

“He admitted the event "wasn't everyone's cup of tea", adding: "We have apologised but how many times do you say sorry? How many times do you have to be penalised in life?" Happened just over a week ago “you’re bringing that up again it was ages ago?”, and playing the downtrodden victim already he must be a mackem.

Bursting action man’s bubble would be an enjoyable end to the season.

I liked this reply: So our fate is to be bought for £4B by a very wealthy American consortium that plan on spending a lot on the club? Sounds like a nightmare. It’s also way more preferable than being bought with the clubs own future revenue, before further investment comes in for form of IOU’s and Monopoly money. Dangermows also says finishing top 6 every year and not winning anything is the same as them not winning anything in League one sure you big knacker, no difference watching a way higher standard is there?

I’ve thought for a while now that we’d not be signing Targett, recent quotes from Howe along the lines of “he’s done well but there are still games to assess” made me doubt us wanting to take that option, and now this link to Lodi seems to be becoming more widespread. At first it seemed weird as signing Targett seemed a bit of a non brainer move, due to the fee and that it would allow us to focus on other positions, but I think Howe really prioritizes the full back position in his system so having Athletico Madrids title winning FB pairing might be in our future

Aye it’s definitely an intentional shift to match Saudi Arabia. I’d have preferred a yellow and green one but they were always going to start to do things like this tbf.

Spot on. I can see Joelinton being a bit of a James Milner type utility player in the squad going forward. Especially as the quality level of our squad goes up, having a bloke that can basically cover anywhere in the front 3 and midfield is useful.

Brilliant buy, based on absolutely nothing but my desire for us to have a giant scary Eastern European CB. Always thought Ivanovic scared the fucking shit out of opposition players (aside from that maniac Suarez ). So I say sign him up.

Pancrate was another one, I’m still not entirely convinced he was an actual professional footballer. Had no fucking clue who he was when we got him, nor a clue what he did after he left. Scored a thunder bastard once iirc.

I don’t even understand the hype about Lingard. He was good for about 4 months at West Ham, outside of that he was always just a bit part/role player. He might be what he showed in the 4 months but he could also be rank average (as we’ve seen with many players that are similar at Man United). He’s more than likely an upgrade on Fraser but we can do better tbh. Free transfer barely matters now when you’re paying over the odds in wages, then have all the increased signing and agent fees.

“Are you sure you want to say the message from that chair?….. okay maybe lose some of the medals and jewelry?… no you’re right it’s definitely not too much, you’ll definitely come across well”

Tbf I’ve went back and had a read and the mood turned against ASM when Clarko aka Mr Logic came on here like Scrappy Doo setting about the whole forum.