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Agreed, player of the tournament so far for England.

Aye I had a look and the 1st 4 or something were all penalties in all, suppose it means he's canny at pens.

Canny goal record when he was on loan at Feyenoord like.

Is that a profit on him? we paid £1m didn't we? I'd heard a rumour that it was Best out and Luuk De Jong in is what's intended, would be better than losing Ba by a long way.

It'll be interesting to see how Pardew fits Ben Arfa in if we hang onto Ba and get De Jong.

Walcott best start over Milner tbh, Milner's been total dogshit all tournament I guess he's being selected for his defensive attributes but he almost cost us a goal with a mental back pass to Hart (against France iirc) and he's too negative in general as Johnson offers more going forward a lot of the time. Young has been gash all Tournament too which is a surprise considering his form leading up to the tournament. Gerrard has looked like the player that used to play for Liverpool at times this tournament, Parker has been decent in spells but sometimes very frustrating with his almost complete refusal to pass the ball forward. Lescott and Terry have been solid for most of the tournament. We've also really struck lucky coming top of the group as I don't think there's much between us and Italy, we just need to put someone on Pirlo all game and try and limit his touches as when he starts controlling the games Italy look very capable of goals.

I watched the game on a yank channel and Michael Ballack brought this up (he's actually a very good pundit btw) saying it was clearly offside so they can't feel hard done by, to which the American host replied "if you just put the miscalled offside down to simply something that happens in the flow of the game, then the goal changes the game right?" Ballack looked as confused as me How are people just icing over the fact the guy that set the 'goal' up was blatantly in an offside position, not forgetting that they also had a header go narrowly over the bar when the bloke was in an offside position which the lineman also ignored about 2 minutes prior to the incident.

Utter dross so far, this is Ukraine playing well in all we should be humping these. Why can we not play a higher tempo like we did after we went 2-1 down against Sweden, I'm still not convinced that Milner is a footballer it looks like a lad that's won a raffle to take part in the game.

Think he was on about Colchester mate.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeAZrfQnCuo[/media] I know it's only a youtube compilation, lots of his goals seem to be headers.

Aye I know nowt about him either aside from his goal record which is canny, agree on the ACN point btw J69 it'll be handy to only lose 1 of our forward 3.

Aye would seem the most likely reason, at least they're quickly reacting if so.

£8m bid been hoyed in for Luuk De Jong according to SSN.

Probably told him we could keep playing for another week and Ibrahimovic still wouldn't be on the scoresheet.

Ibrahimovic must feel like a bellend after mouthing off at Hart when they went 2-1 up, tosser.

Exactly why he should play over the hopeless Milner

Why is Milner allowed near a football pitch, fucking horrific 'player'. We've done this every game under Hodgson so can't say this is a suprise, control the game, score then sit back and let the other team right back into it.

I hope he's intentionally missed the 'e' on the end of Ukraine.

Hope we cuff the bell ends tbh, 'bogey' team aside and all that we really should beat them and should be extremely disappointed with anything other than a win.

The bucket theory might not be far off.

Good discussion this lads.

Giving Gomez a bit too much credit there mind.

Mario Gomez is some player like

Tbh I'd love them to be banned I can't stand them, it was fantastic to watch an England game without hearing that cockend on his trumpet.