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No rebuttal whatsoever? Aside from yet again trying to twist what I said about them being in a good mood despite me explaining it in extreme clarity in the other posts. Honestly man my explanation of it is fairly thorough, I even walked through why obnoxious behavior and being in a good mood are not mutually exclusive with a little example included for good measure. You clearly were trying to wind me up by saying I was a mackem, why else would you say it? You were losing the discussion so you turned to trying to annoy and twist what the other person was saying, they are both classic methods used by people losing discussions. My grammar is fine thanks, are you now trying to attack that? We both know that's a non-starter. In fact don't answer that this is my last post on this whole sorry mess.

That is foul.

I'm not bothered by the issue on the plane, that's why I'm highlighting what a complete and utter non-issue it is, I'm saying you are being ridiculous by getting so wound up over it. There is the word fettle again, it clearly bothers you I've no idea why. I've explained everything in the post this was in response too, I can't spell my point out clearer and your attempt at twisting what I was saying is ridiculous. If you genuinely think there have never been incidents of Newcastle fans getting thrown off public transportation or flights for being drunk and obnoxious (again the mood is irrelevant in the discussion of being obnoxious as I spelled out in the plainest terms in my last post) you're just being daft and again as bad as the mackems on that point. Also no I'm not a mackem and saying it doesn't offend me, learn to spell the word as well and while you're at it learn to type properly.

Ok I'll spell it out for you, it is possible to be drunk and obnoxious while being in a good mood. Is that simple enough for you? Have you ever been stone cold sober in a room full of really drunk people? It is very possible for them to be in a good mood and having a good time but be very obnoxious to anyone who is sober. You've got some absolute neck on you by the way, everyone on this forum thinks you're a fucking mug, I never minded you but you've made a right fool of yourself to me the last day or so. I'll also spell out my point about them possibly being in a good mood since that is also missing you: Their team had won and they were perhaps (notice that word? it means I'm unsure of what happened, the same way you are) in a good mood, they were chanting maybe even clapping their hands, in a small, enclosed space such as an airplane this can be very obnoxious for people, you see how they are in a good mood and yet are still being obnoxious? the only reason I brought up mood in the first place is you nor I have any idea of the mood they were in, this is a possibility and it completely changes the light they would be viewed in compared to a nasty, hostile, group being aggressive.

I've been looking into Google Fi tbh, phones are an absolute bump over here (my bill is $88 per month for 3gb of data and unlimited talk+text) so the idea of paying just $20 per month for talk and text and then $10 for each gb I use is enticing as I'm a fairly low data user (I rarely go over 2gb but the plans are 1gb or 3gb). My only concern is they use Sprint and T-Mobile networks, I've no experience with T-Mobile but I used to have Sprint and it was complete and utter dogshit despite what their adverts are now saying about being only 1% worse than Verizon. Getting the Pixel would add $27 per month to the bill but that would still only bring me out at $67 or so per month for 2gb of data, the best part is you pre-pay for the data so if you don't use it they apply that money to your next month and reduce it. I've got about one year left on my current contract so I suppose it gives me plenty of time to see how others find the Fi network but it's definitely going to be tough to keep my Verizon contract if Fi is decent. The really big plus for me is you can use your Fi data in 120 different countries and they don't charge any extra for it, so when I visit home I'd be able to get 3G data on my phone without paying any extra roaming fees etc, you can also get up to 9 data only sims on the account which all link to the same pool of data so that is good for any sim-ready tablets or laptops. I've no idea if this is coming to the UK anytime soon, it's just been rolled out in my area recently but I doubt it's far off since they have an agreement with T-mobile. The pixel actually looks canny as well, I use chrome on my iPhone as it is so I'd not need to adapt to that. Google home and Google wifi look canny as well, it seems like they're making a real go at pushing Apple to the side.

You're really trying to point score over a complete and utter hypothetical? Neither of us fucking know if they deserved to be hoyed off or not man, my point about the pilot possibly being in a bad mood was simply to highlight that they may have been thrown off the plane for an issue that would normally have seen them warned whether or not that is the case again my point was to highlight you have no idea of what actually happened on the plane, the word fettle seems to have really bothered you. I thought that my point about the pilots mood was completely fucking obvious but evidently I needed to spell it out. To that end it's a ridiculous thing to get so upset about anyway, you're acting as if being drunk and obnoxious (I think we can agree that was the limit of their behavior as there is zero evidence there was any physical harm or damage done) is a heinous crime, plenty of Newcastle fans have been chucked off trains, planes, buses etc for the same thing, which is further evidence it's a really weird thing to try and attack the mackems for. You tried to link two events that were three years apart, I was pointing out that you were being like the mackems by changing order of events. Now with this holier than thou act of getting massively offended by purely anecdotal evidence of what happened on a plane you're being no better than the mackems 'mag at work' nonsense. The bloke done a decent thing, they have done plenty of things wrong so attack them on those things don't try and make a bloke doing a good deed into some massive slight it's absurd. On top of everything this fucking incident happened nine years ago man, get over it.

I agree on the bread and plenty of butter if there's no sauce, I prefer the bacon done in a pan.

Yeah my assumption is the pilot may have been in a bad mood and he couldn't be arsed listening to a plane full of mortal football fans chanting, I wasn't blaming the pilot I was merely saying the mackems may not have done a whole lot to warrant getting booted off, they may well have but from what I read it just seemed they were being obnoxious which can get you kicked off a plane. If they bothered the flight staff/pilot by giving them grief then your pop at them is warranted. I don't know why the flight ended up not leaving, I assume that was mechanical issues. No I know you don't like Quinn and refer to him as the drink driver due to his drink driving incident(s), fwiw I don't like Quinn either I just thought he did a canny thing by giving the fans a lift home especially as it wasn't all of them who were hoyed off for being disorderly.

I had to google that one, that's class.

That's just, like, your opinion man.

My comments about the fans being in a good mood are an assumption that they were asked to leave the plane for being drunk and rowdy but in a good mood rather than anything about them getting aggressive or nasty with the pilot/staff, it's only an assumption as I was not there, do you have any evidence they were aggressive or whatever it is you were asserting about them in your original post? Not sure how that is trivializing their actions, was anyone harmed before, during, or after their removal from the plane? What horrific issue on THAT easy jet flight am I trivializing exactly? The minutes silence incident is irrelevant to my point, no I didn't know Sunderland fans booed during a minutes silence for Charles in 2004. I don't doubt you on that, they're scum but at least make your assertions against them fair or you're simply making shit up about them like they tend to do about us. I can't say I'm a fan of drink driving but again I'm unsure what my opinion on drink driving has to do with Niall Quinn paying for 18 taxis, mackems booing a minutes silence for Mr Charles, or mackems being removed from a flight in 2007. And your views on brown sauce v tomato sauce on bacon sarnies are what exactly?

Ray Hudson is without doubt the worst commentator around, unfortunately over here he commentates on any Barca or Real Madrid game so they're basically unwatchable. A grown man saying stuff like "Messi is magisterial, he is the puppet master pulling on the strings of the Barcelona wondershow of Neymar and Suarez" it's cringeworthy as fuck. The man is a complete arsehole and just says ridiculous stuff because apparently some people think it's funny despite the fact that 90% of the things he attempts make no sense whatsoever, then if they start building a move or come close he starts fucking screaming and yelling, just shut the fuck up man. Pundits like him are a real issue imo, they're supposed to just be background to the game but instead they're trying to become personalities. Aye Alex, Savage saying "well you've never played the game professionally" is just arsehole behavior and proves what a mug the bloke is, if that is his argument then he should sit silently when anyone that was better than him speaks but that isn't the case. Mourinho and Wenger either didn't play or played at a very low level and I'd say they know far more about the game than Savage ever will. I think the major problem is they basically let any ex-pro have a go, so you end up with utter bores like Owen and utter morons like Savage. Occasionally of course you get decent stuff like Jenas, Carragher, Neville etc but the vast majority are going to be shit at it. How Adrian Chiles lasted so long is absolutely beyond me, is that useless prick still droning on about football?

Is Wayne Rooney really in the England squad? I just assumed he wasn't on account of him having an absolutely shite season so far but then saw he was being interviewed during the press conference today.

Aye it makes no sense why Giggs is being touted as a PL level manager, the same talking heads were talking about how fucking dreadful Man Utd were the whole time he was an assistant manager there. I'm not saying that's down to him but it's the only evidence of him doing any coaching/managing. Bruce is a fucking bum, they're taking a gamble but I'd bet that Bob Bradley is on a heck of a less than Bruce would have demanded. Nice to see they do research as well (from a f365 article http://www.football365.com/news/mediawatch-justice-for-poor-ryan-giggs): “I’m with Chris on this one. Bob Bradley? What, Le Havre, I think they’ve got a game on Wednesday. I think they’re about 11th in Ligue 2.” They’re fifth, Robbie. Three points behind leaders Stade de Reims. “They missed out on promotion by one goal I think it was last year though, Robbie.” “Yeah, they missed out.” How on Earth does this bloke get paid to talk about football? He was a shite player and he's a shite pundit. Sutton goes on to liken Giggs to Guardiola ffs, despite the fact that Guardiola was managing a 2nd division side (Barca B ) which is far more responsibility than being an assistant manager. I also fucking hate this 'he knows the Premier League' bollocks, what a complete crock of shit that phrase is, it's as ridiculous as the ones that said Rafa doesn't know the Championship so we'd be better off with Pearson.

Is he allowed out of the iron lung for that long?

It's not strictly true though is it? Some were chucked off THAT Easy jet flight but the flight was later cancelled and that is when Quinn paid for 18 taxis to get everyone home: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/6517635.stm He claims the fans were in a good mood and I'm inclined to believe him since it was after a win, I've been on easy jet flights to Spanish islands where everyone is mortal and chanting etc so it sounds like the pilot was just in bad fettle. It's a nice gesture by the bloke ffs, if you're just going to try and make anything anyone to do with Sunderland does a bad thing then you're as bad as the people you're complaining about. This also happened in 2007 so I'm unclear of what this has to do with John Charles death in 2004.

I can't wait for them, driving is a right fucking chore and the amount of completely fucking useless drivers on the road make it a nightmare at times. It'll be class being able to know you can get to places in a certain length of time rather than now where you set off early and get stuck behind some shambles driving 15mph or get stuck in traffic because someone crashed.

Brett Emerton is still making his way to Newcastle I think. Didn't we faff about with Bony/think he wasn't worth it in similar fashion to Aubameyang?

They beat us before we really found our feet though, Rafa was still buying players etc. The Norwich win was fantastic imo, it's the first time we've come back from 2 goals down to win a game in god knows how long and showed that the team actually has some fight and a never give up sort of attitude, 8 months ago we'd have been dead and buried when the 3rd Norwich goal went in and would have went on to lose by more. I was pretty unhappy that we didn't win by more yesterday but games like that do happen now and again, we've played most of the best sides in the league and are sitting 3rd. I agree we can get a bit edgy and nervy when hanging on by a goal but it's definitely to a lesser degree than it was when Rafa first took over.

I don't blame you at all for being worried about them, Leicester last season proved anything is possible and going from 19th to first in the Championship is a far lesser task. I'm doing the opposite and just trying to rationalize my desire to write them off, in reality they look like they will be a threat but I'm just hoping it'll be a threat to Play-off sides as opposed to automatic spots. I still think we're not seeing anywhere near the best our squad has to offer, we've played most of the better sides in the league already and we're 3rd, we have the deepest and most talented squad in the league (we have forwards that have barely played that would walk into every starting 11 in the league), and have the best manager by a country mile. I keep telling myself all of this but I still worry .

Aye he was the reserve manager for Dortmund while Klopp was there. Like I say I just don't see them keeping this up all season, they're only winning by a single goal margin everytime. It's also an extremely hard tactic physicality wise to keep up for a 46 game season, they could prove everyone wrong but I can't see it lasting them through the xmas period. They had a really good run shortly after he was appointed and they got used to his tactics but then there was a drop off in results after that, presumably they tired a bit from it. I'm probably a little more nervous about sides like Brighton who are always there or thereabouts, I'll worry about Huddersfield if they're top in January/February.

A win is a win but I hope we start stringing some convincing wins together sooner rather than later. Diame needs dropped for the next match, Atsu is yet another player that has come in and scored a goal whereas Diame is starting every game and all we end up hearing is about how he missed and should have done better with the chance. I don't know what the answer is but we've got Atsu, Mitro, Gayle, Gouffran, Perez, Diame, and Ritchie to pick from for those 4 forward positions and I think Diame should be bottom of that list rather than in the 4 that start. Huddersfield will drop off eventually, every game they've won has been by a 1 goal margin I can't see that being sustainable over 46 games. We'll beat Norwich again when we next play them and I think once we actually get out of second gear we'll win more games than them.

Agreed, backs to the wall against probably the weakest team in the league.