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I'm not either but then Yedlin come in due to Anita being a muppet and getting banned and performed a lot better than Anita, I'd have went with him going forward after that.

Clear as day what his preferred 11 is now tbh. The only ones I really take issue with is Diame and perhaps Anita (he has done okay there but Yedlin has been far better imo). It's also a bit odd that Lazaar really hasn't had much of a chance yet despite Dummett doing fuck all to stake his claim to a starting spot, I get that away from home perhaps isn't the best time to hoy him in but there have been plenty of games to give him a chance in the past.

I could be wrong aye, by and large though most of them will have calmed down about it by then and probably will have accepted it. Aye you're never running Rayvin .

Maybe it won't be so bad, the most depressing fact is when you think after those 8 years most of these Bernie supporters will be in their 30's and will be jaded enough by then not to be pushing for anything. We'll probably all be chipped and fucking robots by then mind and any anti-establishment thoughts would have us sent to the vaporizer.

Yeah, she's a standard politician tbh and that's what we'll see. I think there's so much venom to this election that she's likely to be a one-term president, despite that it'll be 8 years before any change on that front as we've seen what an anti-establishment bloke on the right looks like and it's not pretty and since she would be the standing president she would be the Dem candidate so the right will be the only source of that anti-establishment one.

Fair enough but when has that really ever happened? Bloomberg being Mayor of NYC is probably the most recent, as I said in the post before though I don't see a massive amount of difference between a politician who is paid up by a special interest group and a bloke who could really help make up one of those special interest groups running, the latter is really just cutting out the middle man of the former. Of course, a Bill Gates type who is above it all wealth wise and is perhaps not worrying about his business at all anymore who comes in without ideas of self-dealing would be great but in all honesty it's a fairy tale and they would still have to compete against a house of representatives full of the very politicians we all moan about to get owt done.

I fully agree but when they don't get their way in the first election they've tried it's no good hoying their toys out of the pram (honestly I've deleted some of these numpties off facebook because of the utter shite they've spouted). I think Sanders was a great thing as it pushed Hillary left and she adopted some of his ideals, he also refused to step aside until she won him over. The US system is without doubt flawed (which system isn't really) and people should push for change but it's going to take a long time if it occurs, Sanders was never going to win and I just think what Renton said about a lot of them being bitter is true.

Oh aye she's of course worth a hell of a lot compared to Sanders but as I said in my previous post the blokes a cook, you don't get politicians like him very often at all. As I say people can level the 'she's in the pockets of banks and special interest groups' etc all they like at her and I'll agree but that's just like any politician, the President makes $400k a year and yet a few years after their presidency they're worth fucking millions (Chelsea Clinton's wedding was something like $3m) but again that's not unique to the Clinton's. The real joke for me is that Trump fans think he's really above any of these special interest groups, he's even been on record multiple times now clearly dodging questions about putting his business dealings into a blind trust, I personally don't see a massive amount of difference between someone being paid by a special interest group and someone making decisions based on what's best for their large multinational business, it's both essentially self dealing.

Aye, as I say that's Carlin's take and it's probably right that a lot of this stuff is really just in gray areas rather than being any sort of major issue or scandal. Is there not evidence that Powell etc used private servers? Iirc after that the argument shifted to well how many emails did she give over and how many devices did she have etc. The oddest bunch for me are the Sanders supporters that are now backing Trump, I get that they are anti-establishment but fucking hell man Trump stands directly against the vast majority of the things Sanders was wanting to bring in . So as you say I think that bunch are just being petulant, whether there was a 'fix' against him or not is worthy of investigating to a degree but I don't think Hillary had a big hand in it anyway and the fact is he was never going to get the nomination as in all honesty he's a fucking loon, while I like a lot of the ideals he was preaching he was in cloud cuckoo land if he thought he was going to bring in Universal healthcare, free state college, a 'living' minimum wage, etc all in a 4 year term, look what Obama had to do just to fucking force through his healthcare bill and even then it was fucked with to such a degree it ended up barely resembling what he wanted.

I think that is something she really isn't playing up enough, she's been wealthy for a long time now obviously but as you say she's not from an 'elite' background. She mentioned her background at a debate recently iirc but that's maybe the first time I've heard it, her father was a curtain fitter or something and she worked hard and went to an Ivy league school, became a lawyer and she really did do a lot of stuff for families and children in that area. Somehow Trump has made it seem like he's this successful everyman who came from little and now he's what he is today when really that is more fitting of her background.

I listened to Dan Carlin talk about it recently on a podcast and he said a lot of issue people take with Clinton is that for a couple that have been under the microscope for as long as they have (going back to his Governorship of Arkansas in the 80's) they seem to hang out in that gray area a lot, with the private server business, the lack of consistency with her statements of what the FBI said and what the FBI put out, the issue people take with the Clinton foundation, etc (there's also some pretty odd conspiracy theory stuff about the Clinton's in Arkansas). Fwiw I just view her as a normal politician, I do think she should properly be looked at mind as saying "well she's not as bad as Trump" shouldn't excuse any misdemeanors on her part but I think there is definitely an extra over-the-top quality to some of the flak she gets and it could be down to the fact she's a woman.

From a little while ago but still class:

And this one: "The Clinton machine is at the center of this power structure. We’ve seen this first hand in the WikiLeaks documents, in which Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty in order to enrich these global financial powers, her special interest friends and her donors…" From Trump last week.

Aye if you're meaning currently playing for them there's not really anyone, maybe Boro have the most at the minute? But I've no idea where their players started their careers I think a couple of their defenders are from their academy.

Jill Stein is a complete fucking crank in all btw, that may be right what she quoted but she's still bonkers.

I would say Southampton for sure, even the lads they've had come through the past 18 month like Harrison Reed and Matt Targett look like okay players. Besides them no one really is with any consistency. A lot of the current England internationals are from lower league sides academies like Alli, Hart, Walker, Rose, Lallana/Oxlade-Chamberlain/Walcott (at the time anyway), Jagielka, Stones, Smalling.

He has also basically managed the strongest (or at least top 2/3) club in whatever division he has been in his whole career, I'd say their Porto/Valencia stints were similar in that they inherited extremely talented young squads and they both did very well bringing them on but I don't think Mourinho has ever had a job like Rafa's Liverpool one. Mourinho has always had a very clear cycle, comes in changes the culture, gets them winning and brings in players at the top of their game (Porto aside), has a very successful stint and then proceeds to fall out with everyone before leaving. I don't think a club like us are really set up for that successful stint, of course I think he'd do a job here whatever we think of him he's a talented manager but I just think Rafa is a better fit. I also much prefer Benitez as a bloke, I just feel wherever Mourinho is it's about him but Benitez is really appreciative of the fans and the club. I've no idea why Mourinho is struggling at Man Utd but whatever happens I hope it's shit for Man Utd, he has such an arrogance to him and it's one of those things where when everyone is on your side it's a real asset but the minute there's a wavering of support it works against the team sort of like Hazard's massive downturn in form last season.

I'd agree on Ritchie, Shelvey and Hayden. I think he's trying to get Gayle confidence as he clearly sees him as his main forward so while he may bring someone in I think Gayle will be heavily involved at least first season up. I think Defence will see the most changes, he basically brought in a load of relatively cheap signings at the back and is switching them round to see which ones work best. Of course, the number 10 role Dickie brought up will be an important buy in the first season up unless someone really makes a claim this season (which no one is doing really). I think Gouffran will get time when we get promoted, at the very least he'd be used as an outlet to chase the ball late on in a game we're holding a lead. He's definitely building an argument so far this season and while I'm hesitant to think he's really a PL player stranger turnarounds have happened.

I wonder if the Spurs fans have given up the hope that he's just settling in and have just accepted the bloke can't play football.

3-0 win to us, they've had an early good run of form but they're basically a League one side. Can Armstrong play against us?

Agreed, he knows what he wants but like you say he doesn't have a player to play the role and has no intention of buying one in the Championship. It looks like he's going to use this season to get everyone playing in that style and when we go up he can go and spunk 15m or so on a quality number 10 type. The team isn't firing on all cylinders imo and that is in large part to us not having perhaps the right players to play that system but as long as we go up I've no complaints and it will probably make for a smoother transition into what his long term vision for our set up is.

Aye, there's absolutely no chance they'll have 20 by Christmas, honestly they'd be lucky to have that by March. I knew they were shit but getting comfortably humped by a completely out of sorts Stoke made me realize they're on another level shiteness wise. They're a complete and utter fucking mess tbh, they have relentlessly attacked us for our dislike of Ashley over the years so now a lot of them refuse to criticise Short over some ridiculous loyal fan crusade, I once saw a thread where a bloke criticised Short and called for Ashley out type stuff and he got dogs abuse for being like the mags . It's almost as absurd as the classy thing, the owner has completely fucking given up on their club and they refuse to complain in some warped attempt at giving them something to look down at us over.

Why would you choose between Hillary and Trump when you have blokes like this running?:

It seems as if Short has no intention to give them anything as it is, if they were to go down they'd be in a right fucking state.

There's absolutely no way their squad would piss the Championship, it is fucking dreadful. They're struggling more than Villa were last season and look where Villa are. Watmore is utter shit as well, they'll have him until he ends up at a League one side. They're fucking mental, they laughed at us saying our squad would manage down here but then they're saying theirs will with nowt but a 36 year old Defoe up top