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Hope was wanking like mad posting that the negative little creep

Already getting angry at the thought of Tonali not getting banned, a thought they have made up completely unprompted.

Don’t recall calling him shite at any point in this debate. Not sure why you’re so upset about someone highlighting a players limitations and saying Murphy is a better option. He has his pro’s which Gloom highlighted as getting in behind teams and scoring, I was simply arguing against other things people highlight as pro’s to show they’re not actually things he does well (namely our press), and saying he doesn’t offer a lot in terms of build up/chance creation. I even intentionally didn’t put any of Murphy’s stats up because it would be heavily skewed by one good game, I said all summer I wanted us to sign a right winger and I’ve always been consistent in my opinion of him.

Good one lads, nowt to back up your points other than “well Trippier and Howe say so”. May as well shut the forum down.

Sorry like it’s not nonsense, he creates absolutely nothing, he doesn’t win the ball back I’d say they’re two pretty important areas he should be contributing. The stats I showed back up my argument. Aye he scored good numbers in the first half of last season, the second half he became a bit of a passenger and stifled a lot of our attacks because he doesn’t contribute in the build up of play so if he’s not scoring he’s not helping much. I’m also not having he receives the ball well as some amazing trait, he’s the beneficiary of brilliant passes and again unless that ends with him scoring he generally squanders it. I also don’t agree that he’s had some big turnaround post-Howe like others, his runs have been picked out by better quality passing but he’s still largely the same player aside from his goals.

Apparently the scousers are wound up about this as well. I’ll help him out a bit, Toney played for another 5 or so months while the proceedings were ongoing in the pictured game he was banned, Tonali isn’t suspended yet but soon will be and he will be in the same situation Toney was in here. I mean I also have read the post a couple of times and have no idea what point he’s even trying to make, so showing support for a lad that’s got a gambling addiction, has fucked up, then held his hands up when caught is a terrible thing? I suppose we could all wear t shirts to protest a player being banned after racially abusing a player, or after he bit another player?

I don’t think it’s misleading when my argument has been Murphy is the better option and Almiron offers little outside of his goals (which have dried up over the last year). He’s poor at passing, doesn’t help create anything, doesn’t take players on to relieve pressure, doesn’t recover the ball regularly and rarely in key positions (meaning he isn’t helping the press as you claimed earlier when compared to players like Murphy and Gordon). I personally think it’s misleading to give him so many plaudits for receiving spectacular passes over the top of players. We absolutely should have improved the right wing in the summer instead of buying another left wing player.

Why do they keep saying “you defend his gambling addiction” as if he’s done some completely unforgivable act . I agree he should be punished as he broke the rules but it’s not some egregious act, he allegedly put some money on his team to win a game of football, it’s not like he sexually assaulted a child - that would be a weird thing to support a player through imo.

Nah his goals have just papered over the weaknesses in his game. If he hadn’t went on that purple patch of goal scoring first half of last season he’d not get the backing he does.

I’d say that’s more applicable to your opinion in this area tbh, grabbed some of his stats and it aligns with what I’m seeing from him in games. Outside of scoring he’s not offering much, basically creates nothing for team mates, doesn’t beat his man or pass in a productive way, despite all of his running he doesn’t tackle much or turnover the ball in places that lead to chances.

Nah completely disagree, most of his harrying and chasing results in fuck all compared to players like Gordon, Murphy, Longstaff who actually win the ball back, but because he covers loads of ground people feel the need to act like it does something. He runs around a ton but doesn’t generate turnovers, he consistently breaks down our attacks with his piss poor passing and poor decision making. Of course Howe knows more, he likes Almiron for his running in behind but I still think Murphy offers a lot more to our all round game and our press looks better with him on the pitch, the same way it does when we have Joelinton, Longstaff, and Willock. Almirons run of goals contributes massively to how people view him, his all round game is poor. As I say I’ve no doubt he will play against Dortmund, which is harsh on Murphy but it is what it is maybe it is set up well for Almiron as they may come at us more than some opponents which leaves room in behind, he will probably be generally frustrating but maybe score so it’ll all get forgiven.

Almiron doesn’t contribute massively outside scoring iyam, Murphy showed yesterday what a proper winger can do in our system. Almiron pressures opposition but doesn’t win the ball back enough, whereas Murphy fairly consistently wins the ball back in the oppositions half, and due to Almiron having no right foot whatsoever all he does is turn around and pass back if he’s unable to run at goal. I hope we play Murphy going forward but I have little doubt it’ll be Almiron in the the Dortmund game. I still hope we bring in a right winger in January.

Still at least they have the imaginary sale of one of their players to be excited about.

Murphy would have scored that, Almiron running with his head back trying to look fast

Absolutely fucking absurd that foul throw in, he’s also been out of position a few times resulting in chances for palace

Sensational by Murphy. Should start over Almiron going forward

Gordon and Murphy have been excellent today, their pressing and tackling have really kept palace back.

We need to make some subs, no point risking trippier here

why the fuck is Trippier booked? For being shoved? Can we appeal a booking as that’s the most ridiculous yellow card I’ve seen

He offers far more than Almiron for me. Should have had 2 assists but denied by some poor finishing, took his goal well, and the main difference is he actually tackles and wins the ball up the pitch rather than just pressuring.

Tonali to Fagioli

Aye, from what I’ve read it could be an 18 month or so ban but may not go through until December time. Hopefully we can either sue Milan, or appeal to the FA/UEFA to have Tonalis FFP impact withheld until his ban is finished then we can go and buy a CM in the January window. It sounds like Milan knew btw, apparently Tonali was considered a no go until right before we moved for him when Milan were suddenly happy to sell. The major headache this causes for us (aside from losing the player for a while) is it tied up FFP.

I think there’s an agreement under UEFA rules that one countries FA bans would be upheld by the other nations FA’s, so if he gets banned by the Italian FA the English FA would similarly ban him.