Isegrim

I think we will get a good result and remain in the limbo.

In the end common sense prevails.

I have seen him in about two or three games for Villa and think he really shows glimpses of becoming a good player. As I said regular first team football is doing him very well as it looks. With the huge transfer sum Newcastle paid I think it's too early to cut the losses.

And the juvenile delinquency is reaching an all-time high...

It was deluded when the tactical inaptitude became obvious as well as the inability to keep players fit to think that giving the manager more time (and money) would change anything of these problems. Please I still want to read a rational argument why keeping an inapt manager in charge who has been producing one bad performance after another is or has been a decision of common sense. And I didn't say that he should have been sacked from the first minute. But I always thought that his time in charge would and should be short. I'd loved it if I had been proven wrong (so far)... 65082[/snapback] I think we're all agreed that having given the bloke time we can see that he's not up to the job. Yes, some people were prepared to give him more time than others, but when was the right time to sack him? I still think last close season was too early - what is the point in giving a manager less than a season in the job? There's no way that that is enough time. IMO. He needed to be given time to succeed or fail. He's failed, so we move on. 65086[/snapback] With probably two seasons that have to be written off. Well done. If there had been any indication that he was up to the job I would have never advocated sacking him.

Well, I think it would have been the same scenario as now. The probably only solution would have been implementing someone as caretaker. Who knows, maybe with the squad he had at his proposal he even would have qualified for Europe. I can understand those people who were saying to give Souness until the end of last season. In my eyes it was madness not to part company with him in the summer.

It was deluded when the tactical inaptitude became obvious as well as the inability to keep players fit to think that giving the manager more time (and money) would change anything of these problems. Please I still want to read a rational argument why keeping an inapt manager in charge who has been producing one bad performance after another is or has been a decision of common sense. And I didn't say that he should have been sacked from the first minute. But I always thought that his time in charge would and should be short. I'd loved it if I had been proven wrong (so far)...

I am pleased that he gets some first team football. He has talent and selling him would be madness. So I reckon he is as good as sold...

Spot on. The "pro-Souness" myth has been created by the heroes that said he should be booted out the minute he was appointed as a stick with which to beat the more level-headed people who said he needed time. Canny sad IMO but if it makes them feel better..... 65051[/snapback] Well, I would exchange "level-headed" with overly optimistic (i.e. deluded). I know that all people who were saying that Souness should be given more time were seeing things from a more positive perspective. They were "pro-Newcastle" as everyone else. But by that they were "pro-Souness" as well by giving him a probably fair chance. There is nothing wrong with it IMHO tbh. Though what pissed/pisses me of that people were lacking common sense when advocating to give Souness more time. I barely read valid arguments which convinced me why there is anything that could outweigh the vast amount of mistakes and bad aspects of having Souness longer in charge. IMHO it often was more a case of clutching straws and arguments like "he sorted out the defence" were rather quickly disproven. So no I don't think level-headed is the right word for this kind of people.

We're ahead of Blackburn - Bellamy's making all the difference there like! And Luque - crap?? S'pose Ronaldinho would be shite as well? 65015[/snapback] no. Ronaldhino is the top player in the world. Don't understand how you can compare Luque with Ronaldhino, there is no comparison ..... in my opinion Luque is as likely to be as successful as Craig Bellamy was, as Ameobi is to captain England. There is no point in making these changes to the detriment of performance on the pitch, it's money down the drain, big money too, but shows the managers judgement to be incompetent along with his managerial skills, but we all know that, and even that is indefensible to those of you who have backed him. Fact is, you are clinging onto the hope that he will come good, under Bobby Robson, when Bellamy [and Robert] were here you looked at the league table, but you've now been completely taken in and spat out by Souness' propaganda. And you know it. 65021[/snapback] Another "you must worship Souness if you knock Bellamy" thread from you there I see Leazes? You're entitled to your opinion about Luque, personally I haven't seen him play but I've talked to a few people who have and they all suggest he's an awesome talent. And don't give me that shite about if he was that good, Real Madrid would have been in for him - I don't remember too many wanting Henry when Wenger snapped him up! 65038[/snapback] They were linked with him... http://es.sports.yahoo.com/050719/9/6s6v.html

How quick a bracelet can become a dagger...

I was among those people, but was already convinced in November that he is in fact incapable. We should then have appointed someone on a caretaker base until the end of the season, Carver for example.

Well, with HTT's history of being wide off the mark I fear Souness will stay at least until the end of the season...

Well, I added it because it was more or less a scathing attack on Souness whole career as a manager and so I think it is a reflection on how the press is describing the current state of affair at Newcastle.

That word is exactly how I would have described it. pssst, what does it mean?? 64542[/snapback] Doesn't it mean "criticizing heavily"? If not is sounds sophisticated nevertheless...

Flicking through yesterdays and todays press reports it looks like Souness has more or less lost all support. Yesterdays Irish Independent was excoriating. Todays Telegraph not much better. Even Anal O. is more and more turning against him. Todays pieces are a bit tilly-tally. But best described is the current state by John Gibson: "United's manager had challenged his players to "show real passion, real fire in our bellies". What he, you and me got was a damp, insipid excuse of a football match, even if Souness professed himself happy afterwards. A stale pie and a mug of stewed tea would have been more appetising than this 90 minutes."

I also declared that the deal wasn't dead when it was reported. My only source was reading from tea leaves, though. I really feel unimportant now.

That, or phoning Alan Oliver, 'Alan, with your vast network of contacts, who have you had calls from this week that would be interested in taking on the Newcastle job?' 64485[/snapback] Alan Oliver: "Brett Emerton."

errr... that'll be the first! Whingy fucking members! 64476[/snapback] Don't worry, His Gayness (aka Gemmill) sees everything through is pink-tinted glasses at the moment.

HTT will send some sharks...

IIRC Keegan said in his biography that Fat Fred was the only one who was supporting him until the end... or something along the lines. I'll have to look it up. 64461[/snapback] I think you're right Isegrim - I think it was Shepherd and Dougie who wanted him to stay on but their desire to float Newcastle United was greater, sadly... 64462[/snapback] Are you sure? I thought it was Hall he was miffed at? Mind, it's such a fucking circus at this club I forget who's upset who. 64464[/snapback] That's how I remember it as well. i.e. that Keegan blamed Dougie and Fletcher.

IIRC Keegan said in his biography that Fat Fred was the only one who was supporting him until the end... or something along the lines. I'll have to look it up.

But they scored three goals. When was the last time we looked like scoring that many? 64309[/snapback] In one match or over the course of a couple of months?

I've been a massive Keegan fan all my life (and he is the one who dragged me into the Newcastle affection), but I have to agree. Happy memories might not be the right reasons to appoint a manager... ...on the other hand, I'd rather give this a try than having to live with the current tosser a single day more.

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