Bazooka_From_Viduka

I've asked a couple of times what Alex is on about and got no reply. If anyone else wants to explain, go for it please

Of course there is (even ignoring general passive smoking ), whether it would be practical or technically smoking is another issue however. It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. So are we banning motorbikes or not? why are we banning motorbikes again? your logic is so out there I tend to lose track of your point You were banning them because they don't kill you I think (along with miners who DO kill you). how was I banning motorbikes? it's you that's banning motorbikes. I'm banning smoking in the workplace You are, that explains a lot then. Do you do a nice side line in non-smoking signs? It was your example, don't blame me because it was a stupid one. still waiting for an explanation as to why miners are different to bar staff

And you can "prove" your claim how exact? Oh yes you CANNOT. Ventilation is just a matter of physical, a silly air barrier that doesn't ventilate the room, but tried to make two separate atmospheres it proof of nothing, just that an over engineered "solution" often isn't best one. Oh really...... here's what the health secretary just said about it: The new Health Secretary, Alan Johnson, welcomed the ban saying that tackling the causes of illnesses saved lives. Yup all about there "workers" that. Anymore ass you want to spew? so why all the intricate separations in the law regarding home/work/public/private etc? why is it hundreds of people can all enjoy a bit of passive smoke until one waiter steps into the room? you're as clueless about this as you are about ventilation systems

You being serious or a sensationalist? If Lampard was on his way to us, you'd cream your pants tttt! I rate that pair over two lampards didn't think it was that controversial really

I'd take carrick and hargreaves over 2 lampards tbh and why is 3 weeks so important anyway?

who watches SSN on a sunday night? although, with this poxy diana concert i am reduced to a crap top gear re-run and hoping that x-men 3 on sky at 8 will be better then when I saw it at the flicks

think I switched over after the Reflex

is the title meant to suggest some sort of foul play?

thought this was actually supposed to be a concert? I watched Duran Duran, now everytime I flick back there's no one performing, just a bit of video or some people nattering

but of course it wasn't about the workers, it's about ......? eco-terrorism or something

convenient he only confessed after he died

Of course there is (even ignoring general passive smoking ), whether it would be practical or technically smoking is another issue however. It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. So are we banning motorbikes or not? why are we banning motorbikes again? your logic is so out there I tend to lose track of your point You were banning them because they don't kill you I think (along with miners who DO kill you). how was I banning motorbikes? it's you that's banning motorbikes. I'm banning smoking in the workplace no idea what's going on in your head regarding miners

Just been in the park for a bbq and we were discussing this ventilation lark. He was saying it is very expensive. He goes to a bar in Berlin where they have it and the smoke just whooshes up and out the place. Yup it's quite possible (in most places - although even the most difficult is likely still possible just hideously expensive), but expensive to install, maintain and run..... and it doesn't achieve the goals of the ban (which have next to nothing to do with secondary smoking). you can keep saying it, but you won't make it true No I agree entirely; it being true makes it true. a truth that you handily can't prove always was about the workers, whatever you claim

That bit was probably more important in what Mozza was trying to get across. My main grind with the media and its nothing to do with coverage of some nutters trying to ram buildings with gas cannisters or whatever...Is the way they manage month after month to avoid talking about the real issues that face us as a country. And having studied it in the past how this agenda is unfolded purposefully to keep us distracted and worried. Which is what? little green men? killer motorbikes

sensible? take me through the logic here of why some people should be protected and some shoudn't?

whereas new pubs were opening up all over the place before the ban?

Just been in the park for a bbq and we were discussing this ventilation lark. He was saying it is very expensive. He goes to a bar in Berlin where they have it and the smoke just whooshes up and out the place. Yup it's quite possible (in most places - although even the most difficult is likely still possible just hideously expensive), but expensive to install, maintain and run..... and it doesn't achieve the goals of the ban (which have next to nothing to do with secondary smoking). you can keep saying it, but you won't make it true

Of course there is (even ignoring general passive smoking ), whether it would be practical or technically smoking is another issue however. It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. So are we banning motorbikes or not? why are we banning motorbikes again? your logic is so out there I tend to lose track of your point

Smoking is kinda the new houlier than thou-ism to be honest, much like the current eco-trends (despite many of them being either a con or in some cases counter productive. People like to have something easy and righteous to hate. Even if at most only 600 people per year in the UK die from secondary smoke related issues (far less than the 2500 that die from radon for example), they'd save a lot more non-smoking lives by banning motorbikes (although again secondary smoke is the scare not the reason). so no thoughts on the actual point about ventilation then? We've been through that (several times now), I guess you've forgotten. Motorbikes kill a LOT more people than secondary smoke (in fact most things do). And the eco-trends bit is just relevant to peoples like to hate. I must have missed where you explained how several different countries with different attitudes to rules and regulations could all come to the same conclusion that ventilation was a waste of time All have the same issues really, although some are more honest in their reasons for the ban than others, for example look at California's reasoning, one of the first and much more open, albiet many off the same issues remain. *super-pedantism mode on* Technically cigarettes (even for smokers) don't kill people either then. is there a safe way to smoke then? With enough filtering I'd guess so (although again, using your reasoning, it's not them that actually kills you). Although (as anyone that's ridden a motorbike knows) there isn't any really "safe" way to ride a motorbike, you can be as safe as you like, but some moron in a car (or in a tractor or lorry if it's diesel or horse/cow muck on the road) will try to kill you. Nope we're now banning stuff that makes your clothes smell. you actually think there is a safe way to smoke I think your credibility ends here

Smoking is kinda the new houlier than thou-ism to be honest, much like the current eco-trends (despite many of them being either a con or in some cases counter productive. People like to have something easy and righteous to hate. Even if at most only 600 people per year in the UK die from secondary smoke related issues (far less than the 2500 that die from radon for example), they'd save a lot more non-smoking lives by banning motorbikes (although again secondary smoke is the scare not the reason). so no thoughts on the actual point about ventilation then? We've been through that (several times now), I guess you've forgotten. Motorbikes kill a LOT more people than secondary smoke (in fact most things do). And the eco-trends bit is just relevant to peoples like to hate. I must have missed where you explained how several different countries with different attitudes to rules and regulations could all come to the same conclusion that ventilation was a waste of time All have the same issues really, although some are more honest in their reasons for the ban than others, for example look at California's reasoning, one of the first and much more open, albiet many off the same issues remain. *super-pedantism mode on* Technically cigarettes (even for smokers) don't kill people either then. is there a safe way to smoke then? are we only banning stuff that kills people now, sort of like a super minimalist approach to public safety?

Smoking is kinda the new houlier than thou-ism to be honest, much like the current eco-trends (despite many of them being either a con or in some cases counter productive. People like to have something easy and righteous to hate. Even if at most only 600 people per year in the UK die from secondary smoke related issues (far less than the 2500 that die from radon for example), they'd save a lot more non-smoking lives by banning motorbikes (although again secondary smoke is the scare not the reason). so no thoughts on the actual point about ventilation then? We've been through that (several times now), I guess you've forgotten. Motorbikes kill a LOT more people than secondary smoke (in fact most things do). And the eco-trends bit is just relevant to peoples like to hate. I must have missed where you explained how several different countries with different attitudes to rules and regulations could all come to the same conclusion that ventilation was a waste of time Do motorbikes kill people? I thought it was reckless driving tbh, you learn something every day

Smoking is kinda the new houlier than thou-ism to be honest, much like the current eco-trends (despite many of them being either a con or in some cases counter productive. People like to have something easy and righteous to hate. Even if at most only 600 people per year in the UK die from secondary smoke related issues (far less than the 2500 that die from radon for example), they'd save a lot more non-smoking lives by banning motorbikes (although again secondary smoke is the scare not the reason). so no thoughts on the actual point about ventilation then? just some waffle about eco-trends and motorbikes?

I wonder what else we should un-ban then because motorbikes are dangerous?

it's also quite funny to think that, given the wide variety of attitudes to rules and risk in the various countries that have now banned smoking indoors, isn't it wierd how not a single one accepted better ventilation as a viable solution?

3.5 litre formula one block to be exact. Saw it myself at Silverstone in 1995. Fucking unbelievable to watch, you wouldn't have thought it possible for something that cumbersome to move so fast! can't find any photos of it on Google which is annoying I remember peering inside it when they started it up, near shit meself