The Fish

Ah cheers. That'll be another reason they're in the shit, <£15m in "Merit payments" over 3 years. 3.0 13/14 6.2 14/15 4.9 15/16

I've been searching for a reliable website with that info, where'd you get it?

Oh sure, but I meant that they don't even get the top of c£1m every so often by being on tv.

Burnley, Boro and Hull will get mentions because they're the promoted sides. Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City and Spurs will be pored over because they're "big clubs". Leicester will get loads of coverage this year because they're champions and doing shite. There's 10 teams ahead of sunderland in the interest stakes already. Then you've Everton and West Ham who're decent sized clubs that have it in them to either flirt with Europe or Relegation in any given season. Pardew is Box Office, so Palace get more coverage than they should. To most neutrals Sunderland are just that side that should have been relegated a while ago and haven't been, they don't play attractive football, they aren't experiencing huge tumult on or off the pitch (that's of interest to neutrals), they're just not very good.

Ours is more "wasted potential" than "fucking fucked in the fucking fuckhole".

Pay over the odds in transfer fees and player wages Almost never make a profit on a player sale Rarely get televised games Can't do brilliantly in merchandising as surely it's only the surrounding area that buys the shirts and SIX IN A ROW FTM VHS tapes? Don't get much in sponsorship because they're not very good and rarely on tv. actually here you go

Law of the Jungle.

Stevie?

Ad hoc ergo propter hoc

we haven't done one of these for a while. stop me if i've missed a category, and get your nominations in - best all round poster (football) David Kelly - best all round poster (general) Rayvin - funniest poster Monkeys Fist - most thought provoking thread starter Happy Face - poster you'd most like to go for a beer with Meenzer - poster you'd most like to slap in the face with a wet fish Essembee - thickest skin I'm guessing I can't vote for myself, so I'll say Essembee - thinnest skin I rarely do much more than dip my toe in the politics thread, but I'd say Renton - best fact checker Happy Face - biggest blairite Renton - biggest trot Rayvin - most likely to end up in an insane asylum Wykiki (after racking up a significant body count) - biggest hipster wanker Dr Gloom - most sanctimonious J69 - most missed former poster KSA - the leazesmag award for the poster most likely to start an argument with him/herself Chez - best female poster Gemmil (Cath obvs)

Not desperation, it just served as a reminder about whom you are fucking with.

"at the moment"

WELL YOU'RE WRONG FUCKO! CHECK YOUR FACTS! We hit a lower percentage of Long Balls last night than our average.

West Brom kept us honest last time.

Even before the debt revelations, the consensus seemed to be that relegation was literally the worst thing that can happen. And despite clubs like West Ham, Southampton, Leicester and us (twice) showing that you can bounce back from relegation and be stronger for the experience, they think that way leads to rack and ruin. With their financial problems, it might be a big ask to bounce back at the first time of asking, but the club needs an overhaul and they'll never do that if they're too terrified of the drop to risk a new approach. The Championship is more forgiving.

I saw something on RTG that after buying 46 players since 2009, they've only made a profit on something like 3-4.

No, conflate kənˈfleɪt/Submit verb gerund or present participle: conflating combine (two or more sets of information, texts, ideas, etc.) into one. "the urban crisis conflates a number of different economic, political, and social issues" They've erroneously combined being good at football with being good at football management, combining the two attributes into one.

I know (and I'm mostly playing Devil's advocate), but Short should surely see that investing >£20m of his own money would save him 5 times that come May, but he won't do it. £10m for Defoe, £15m for Kone and £25m for Pickford might be £50m of players worth "losing" if it can be reinvested for survival, or used to pay down the debt in anticipation of relegation.

No

noice

Did you think we went long, more often last night?

Batshit appointment. Chinese owner conflating good at football with good at football management.