The Fish

I'm a good friend that gives my friend unconditional support. Methy Tom, Rapey Matthew, Stabby Ben. All of them get my unconditional support, whatever dangerous proclivities they enjoy. Even Buttsex Martin.

The only one I can find is shit quality, so I'm going to hold off.

Got a link?

I'm torn between finding and watching it tonight, or waiting until next Monday. What do you think?

One of these things is not like the other...

Fucking ridiculous isn't it? "Is that your second pipe of Crystal Meth today Tom? Well, you crack on sunshine, I'm your friend."

They're not people like us though. They hate and are impervious to reason, that's not "like us". They've been disenfranchised and radicalised. They're as much like us as the fighters of ISIS, except the Nazis have had far less reason to hate the status quo. Saying they're the same as anti-fascists is nonsense, Antifa are a response to the fascists and they're not driving a car into pedestrians or delighting in the death of a young woman who had the courage of her convictions to protest without kevlar and the arsenal of a small country strapped to her.

They will appear to the casual observer a better bet to stay up than Newcastle.

Nice idea, but you know full well that calmly debating with furious bigots solves nothing. They shout their hatred over your calm questions, leave claiming a victory to their fans and swelling their numbers. If a man throws up the nazi salute, he deserves a punch in the face, that's just science.

If they did that, then yes it shouldn't have been permitted. Inciting violence is counterproductive to debate and discussion and those intent on inciting violence shouldn't be allowed a platform. The march of angry white men shouting their bigotry should have been better policed, and the minute some nazi threw up the nazi salute it should have been shut down.

Look, this is pointless. You're too narrow minded to have a conversation with. Being a fan of the club does not mean you blindly accept what is happening to the club. In fact being a real fan means setting aside your desire to watch Newcastle United play football on a saturday to do what you can to protect the future of the club. Do you think Blackpool, Coventry and so on are wrong to protest the owners of their club?

Was the protest inciting violence?

"True fan", what makes a true fan? Turning up and clapping regardless of the circumstances? They're not fans, they're consumers.

Was it inciting violence?

By bringing them into the spotlight you expose many, many more to their poison. Many who won't think a well structured argument beats a shouty tirade. Morgan invited Alex Jones onto his show and the man just shouted. Same happened on Newsnight, didn't it? What did that do other than have the centre feel smug in their superiority and embolden the far right? I can't imagine a young disenfranchised man watched that and thought, "Y'know what, that angry shouty man doesn't half look silly". More likely he thought "YEAH, STICK IT TO THE SNOWFLAKE LIBTARD CUCKS! THEY DON'T LIKE IT UP'EM"

That's where Napoleon did surrender.

Huge difference between exercising your right to free speech and inciting violence against minorities. Allowing bigotry and hatred a platform will lead to its legitimisation. We shut down radical islamists quick enough, why not their brothers from another mother?

No, it isn't.

And Nazi events shouldn't be tolerated in the first place... right? I mean anti-semitism, racism, homophobia couched in violent terms is inciting violence and were it a bloke in a beard outside a mosque FOX news and Homeland Security would have been all over it, right?

Sure, but it's a plot point that will surely lead to a discussion about claims to the throne, which will pivot to Jon's claim. How will Daenerys feel about the Usurper's child suddenly being bezzzy mates with her love interest/nephew? Also will lead to discussions about the Red God, for some lovely exposition scenes North of the Wall. And surely when Arya meets Gendry again how will that impact the Red Woman's position on her list? Should Cersei find out (and her spy network seems up to the job) how will she react to knowing Robert's bastard is alive and kicking?

People have already died and I was worried before that. However, without an actual leader to bring people into line with rhetoric, governance and force, I think that if the public meet Nazis with anything but force it won't change anything. I just cannot see a resolution that doesn't include a body count, can you? Certainly not with Donald pouring petrol on the fire. Aren't there laws against hate speech in America? I know the Nazi salute is illegal in European countries, why not there?

Would you bring that to a car fight?

It could be that he's dogshit, but it could be that his style didn't fit, his face didn't fit or there were personality clashes in the dressing room. Nothing to do with his ability or lack thereof. I did see a rumour on twitter (I know I know) that he was banging the daughter or sister or wife of someone at the club.

As Robert's last surviving child he has a claim on the throne, a stronger one that Cersei's at least. I reckon Thoros and maybe Berric will die North of the Wall, but everyone else will make it back. I can't imagine they'd bring Gendry back for one episode, then off him? Especially because of his claim to the throne. I thought it was a good episode, Gilly reading the part about Jon's birth (which also gives him a claim to the throne) but being cut off by Sam, the return of Gendry, the dragon having a similar reaction to Jon as the other two dragons had with Tyrion (lending credence to the theory about the three dragon riders), Cersei becoming ever close to the Mad-King in her desperation to cling on to power. Also, didn't Cersei's witch tell her she'd only have three children, all of whom would die? So I'm not buying Cersei's pregnancy, or at least it won't result in a living child. I think it could be bullshit because she could see she was losing the loyalty of Jaime, and knew he's sentimental enough that a child would pull him back in line. I only recently realised the three main characters (Tyrion, Jon and Daenerys) all had mothers who died during childbirth. Dunno if there's any meaning to that, but it struck me as an odd coincidence.

If Altrincham had a burgeoning fascist mob, I'd learn how to defend myself too. I get that you're trying to walk an objective path, but I cannot be that objective when they're brandishing swastikas, sieg heiling, and calling for the deaths of innocents. The Antifa are no doubt looking for trouble, but they're picking fights with nazis, I'm totally ok with that. They're not driving cars into protests. The nazis in Charlottesville were allegedly discussing burning a synagogue (and I can't imagine you'd think that would be a stretch), would you expect the Antifa to look to burn down a church? We should absolutely seek to stop the radicalisation of young men, in all social spheres, but we shouldn't meet grown men toting AK47s and screaming "blood and soil" with meekness.