The Fish

Wanted to let him know which part of Bramhall I'm in, without giving the address to you mischievous bellends. I could do without jiffybags of cat crap posted through the letterbox, thank you very much.

Bramhall, same road as the Esso Garage and the HSBC bank.

YassAyoze

It may not have been an intentional strike to the face, but I'm saying that all the other teammates have seen in a big thug of a bloke apparently come into contact with Gayle's face. They'll obviously launch to his defence, and also try and get the defender sent off. Despite what Goodman says.

Is that Don Goodman? What a fucking bellend. Carrying on like no team would be incensed after their striker was pushed in the face by a thug of a centre back?

England's rose

Hesgoal.com works for me

Not a single shot in the second half

Brevity and clarity are for amateurs.

Yeah a mate of mine is also going through the process and has had a nightmare. House being valued £18k under the asking price, which affects his loan to value enough to knacker his mortgage offer. That's after 2 houses falling through as well. Feel for the lad, but that's not going to stop me getting him to help us move.

To be fair, there's a few who'd have more posts than me if they hadn't flounced, changed their name or whatever.

Just exchanged on my first ever house. For all the horror stories I've heard about the process, it was fairly straight forward for us to be honest. touch wood.

Not even sure how many posts I've made. But it's enough to call you all cunts with impunity.

Kurt

That League One is shit. Sunderland are shit too, but I've no idea how they'll do so to say they're likely to get back up is premature.

You saw how poor the likes of Burton and Rotherham were when we played them though, surely? The bulk of League One teams are as far from Derby as the bulk of Championship sides are from Everton. (They're probably a bad example because they're doing so poorly this year, but you get the jist, right?)

Will they? There weren't many who thought they'd get relegated this season (myself included). They'll be going down with Burton who've experience in that league, plus 1 of Bolton, Birmingham, Reading (and maybe Hull). They might shift Rodwell and Cattermole, but who's left? They could be down there with a club like Blackburn or Wigan... so it's not like they're nailed on favourites.The standard of players they now have is League 1 level, but not even good League 1 level. They're bereft of confidence, with a tradition of failure ingrained in the club. They've won fewer games than anyone else in the country. When the exodus occurs they're not going to be flush with cash to spend on talent, unless Short funds it. The money that they'll get from parachute payments and player sales won't even clear their external debt. Especially given the crap they've got on the playing staff. An ageing squad of overpaid turd. They need an overhaul but haven't the money to do that. I've been guilty of overestimating them, I won't be doing it again.

Aye, just saw that. Can't imagine that will fatten the crowd out much, mind.

In total? Surely Khazri, Lens, Borini and Djilosjbsololjbsvjbssi will get them £10m between them at least? Transfermarkt seems to think Borini and Lens will be joining their loan clubs permanently next season for £9.6m

Sorry, that was unclear on my part. I meant that they could, in the future, sell players for large profits. Young lads coming through and impressing as Middlesbrough do frequently. Players whom Premier League clubs don't want to gamble on, but go on to prove themselves and draw admiring glances. Leeds bought Chris Wood for £3m(?) and sold him to Burnley for £15m! Has there been many examples of League 1 players attracting that kind of money? Being in the 3rd tier of English football significantly reduces their value and their earning potential. It's foolish to risk relegation for the want of £10-20m. And Ellis Short isn't short of a bob or two, he's still a billionaire. He'd earn £30m in interest within a year if it sat in a Tesco Bank savings account.

I think they blithely dismissed the likelihood of relegation when they spent £4m in the window of January 2017, and arrogantly thought they'd be good enough to survive the Championship after selling £30m worth of talent and replacing it with £1.5m worth of toss. I think they again, overestimated their chances of survival when they spent nothing in January 2018. He may be a good businessman, but he's a bad football owner. This is a business that rewards investment, and punishes those who don't. Also, a £180m indebted Championship club is much more attractive than a £150m indebted League 1 club. The latter has little hope of recouping that debt without significant investment from a new owner, the former could cut costs, sell players for large profits and stabilise without risking relegation (with the right people making the right choices).

As ewerk says it needn't have been £30m, but it could have been more than the square root of fuck all that they did spend. If he is wanting to unload them, it makes no sense to me to let them fall into League 1. It's like if you're trying to sell a house that' been costing you a fortune to maintain. You're not going to rewire it and convert the attic, but you'll give a lick of paint and fix the broken window to make it seem more attractive, even if it does cost you another sum of money on top of the fortune you've spent so far. If administration is likely, surely there are ways to accelerate that process? Get out now, why keep spending money on wages and upkeep if he could wash his hands of the whole sorry mess? If selling the club is his focus, he's just knocked millions off their value by allowing them to be relegated to the 3rd tier (of course if administration follows, they'll be worth even less).

Well it's a further season away from the Premier League trough, it's reduced commercial revenue, it's reduced attendances, it's reduced associated match day revenue, it's reduced revenue from player sales. Had he spent the £30m in January they may not only have survived, but finished mid table, then they're in a far far better position to try and get promoted while still supported by parachute payments and the fatter revenue streams in the Championship. They'd also be a much more attractive club to potential suitors. I'd argue failing to spend £30m has cost him much more than that.

That makes more sense to me than Short not investing.