Ken

If you think gaijin is really directly comparable or the only example, then I may have to explain to you that the Isle of Wight is not "foreign" either. In fact the hard thing do is find a place where vicious prejudice (and the language to go with it) doesn't occur - Antarctica is probably your best bet outside of whaling season. Closed minded people like old Happy Face may struggle with the harsh reality of the world however. No, never did I say gaijin is the only example. But in Japan, that is about as bad as it gets. I maintain the opinion that I made, after all I've spent about 4 years there collectively, and made many non-Japanese friends there who have stayed there much longer, and gaijin is about as bad as it gets over there. As I also said previously prejudice beliefs occur throughout the whole world, but the one common denominator is that they are made by morons. Therefore those who preach prejudice beliefs like the BNP are also morons.

The thing that always amuses me about this is the assumption that it's "whites". Arabic and West Asian slang for white people is hardly flattering, Arabic and West Asian slang for black people certainly isn't (blackened cooking pan being one) - it's just your average white guardian reader hasn't a clue these terms even exist (even though it's very possible they may have been called one of them to their face). Same with African derogatory terms for white people and people arabic/west asian descent. I just love all the hand wringing by people that love to hate, but instead of hating others like the BNP they like to self-hate instead. When in reality both groups are delusional fools. Who's made that assumption like? The reason we're talking about white racism is because this is a thread about the BNP, at least it was before Stevie tried to deflect attention from his racism by turning it into a supafan thread. Feel free to start a black racism thread instead, but as 95% of toontastic posters are white, don't expect as much interest. Interesting that. I'd think more tbh, and the majority have not been fortunate enough to leave the shores of England and explore the world. Some here would arguably consider London foreign. Sorry state of affairs really. Fop makes a half-decent point here though. Prejudice connotations occur all over the world. In Japan a non-Japanese is called a gaijin which means foreigner. Nothing like chink or nip though as our very cultured and sophisticated man on this forum Stevie uses quite often, but it does occur. However I think Fop is just trying to make himself look informative and intelligent, and it is a poor attempt to balance out the failings of poor Stevie. All I've got to say about the BNP though is that it is a non-entity. It will never reach out to the mainstream. It only attracts the uneducated and the desperate. Case closed.

So?.. it doesn't mean you're not racist if your boss is Indian, it just means you know how to conform. Shagging a black lass, well that could mean many things, but doesn't mean you're not racist and speaking Italian doesn't prove a thing, except maybe you've spent time there or it was a requirement for the job you have. My point being is you are quite explicit with the way you describe other races. You feel Muslims are a scurge on society. Maybe some of them are, well not maybe, it is a fact that some are, but many, many more Muslims are an asset to society. Just because they don't go down to the local and drink 8 pints doesn't mean they do not integrate. Stevie you are way to harsh in many of the opinions you have on people. Calling someone a Paki or a Chink is classified as racism to me. Not conformity to PC... pure racism.

Show me those signs mate. You make an effort to tell me how you define being a racist, and I'll reciprocate by looking through what you posted to prove you are, which won't be hard btw. You're the one accusing me of being racist, I don't have to make an effort to do anything. Back up your accusations or pipe down a bit? Eh?..you're the loudest voice on this thread, I've made two posts, well this is will be my third. It's a simple question really, tell me what you think being racist means. I thought it was valid considering you feel you are being unjustly branded one. You're not afraid to do so are you Stevie?

Show me those signs mate. You make an effort to tell me how you define being a racist, and I'll reciprocate by looking through what you posted to prove you are, which won't be hard btw.

Stevie, maybe you could give us your own definition of the word racism. Don't look it up, give your opinion on the word. I've followed this thread from the start and followed all points of view closely. You, imo, clearly show signs of being racist. Not only this thread which must be heaven to you, but others at different times as well. Disprove me if you can.

Cheers Renton. I believe the points I made in regards to successful coverups in wartime hold true and have relevance. Espionage is always most active during this period, and as you say the Soviets managed to shorten their development time of the A-bomb by about a year. 130,000 worked on the project, and at least one of them had to have been tempted to spill the beans for financial gain. One of the greatest military coverups of all time was possibly relating to Unit 731 and Shiro Ichii. The whitewashing in the West in regards to their actions is astounding. He, and those who worked under him should have been the first to front the War Crimes Tribunal and been the first to be executed. I know it's wiki, but it's a decent summary As I've mentioned thousands work at Groom Lake Nevada, various other bases in the US like in Utah, Woomera base in Australia, and many of the installations are deep underground. Funded by a US$30 billion black budget, nobody in the US Senate questions it. Also, read up on ECHELON. OK, it's a global surveillance operation, but really, does anyone know what its true mission statement is and what it really is up to? I know it's wiki, but it's a decent summary Aye it's all speculative, but it's speculative because they manage to keep it so secretive. As for the US Freedom of Information Act, yes, information is subject to release after a time period of 25 years under the Clinton Administration iirc (this may have changed since Bush Jr's been in power though), however there are stipulations that need to be met for it to be released. Generally it's a wide scope of stipulations, like it cannot be released if it is deemed to be against national security policy, it cannot be released if it can be used as a tool to aid another country technologically or industrially, or it cannot be released if it is stamped "classified". It doesn't really leave much does it? Much of what has been released has been blacked out, leaving full page documents with two or three lines of read-worthy material. I really don't know whether there is a government within a government, or whether there is protocol that needs to be adhered to whenever a new govt is formed. There's been a lot of stuff that's been written about that and you can't make out authenticity from shit. Jimbo's example a few posts above is a classic example. Is it genuine, or just a good story??? MJ-12, I believe is genuine but some documents released relating to the issue have proved to be fake. If one piece of information can be debunked then everything else relating to the subject generally is, unfortunately - guilty by association. But what is true is that the US government has consistently lied. So have the FBI, CIA and the NSA. The NSA released 156 documents relating to UFO's in 1980, forced to by the FOIA. 75% of its total content was blacked out. The lies regarding the Roswell crash have been astounding if not comical. First it was a flying saucer, the day after it was a weather balloon. The alien bodies which witnesses described seeing was explained away as being crash test dummies, yet crash test dummies were not used in experiments until 1953, 6 years after the event. After admitting its mistake the US government then decided that they were monkeys. Then in 1996 a govt endorsed book was released which explained it to be a high altitude balloon designed to detect Soviet atomic activity. It was laughed off by witnesses and the book had many contradictory points in it. Why all the secrecy for something which wasn't even cutting edge??? Ref. The F.B.I. Files: The FBI’s UFO TOP SECRETS EXPOSED - Nick Redfern Majestic 12 Documents Update - Stanton Friedman Crash at Corona: The Definitive Study of the Roswell Incident - Don Berliner. The Roswell Report: Truth vs. Fiction in the New Mexico Desert -Col. Richard Weaver, USAF Fascinating subject, but at times quite confusing. Truly, there is more to this than meets the eye

You are assuming that any advanced civilisations, providing they exist of course, are perfect and have traveled from one star system directly to here (Nevada, New Mexico). It is quite possible the vehicle could have come from a base underground or on the backside of the moon, in the asteroid belt, the rings of Saturn, on Mars or one of many moons around other planets. Could it be that what crashed at Roswell were small Earth excursion modules rather than the interstellar, very large vehicles (space carriers, mother ships etc) which would have brought them to Earth just as our large aircraft carriers carry 80 or so small airplanes whose mode of propulsion is distinctly different from that of the carrier. Also, for example when we examine major investigations to determine the cause of aircraft crashes, we often find, after much effort, that it was simple unexpected things ranging from loose bolts, to ingested birds, to faulty wiring, to pilot error, to ice in the wrong place. It could have been very high atmospheric electricity levels because of storms or the great dryness of the desert air. Perhaps it was shot down, by accident or on purpose. We know a radar set was on over at White Sands because of an impending rocket launch and the fact that it used vacuum tubes. Perhaps crossing the beam might have led to a small hiccup in the control system which led to a malfunction on the flying disks (there were two that came down in Roswell ) which caused them to collide. Perhaps the high radioactivity around the Trinity site (where the first atomic bomb blast occurred) caused a malfunction. We certainly have no reason to believe that aliens never make mistakes, or never run into the unexpected. Some day perhaps the government will release the report that was undoubtedly written as to the causes of the crashes. Just because we don’t have that report, it doesn’t mean the event didn’t take place. In fact evidence like two affidavits released after these ex-military people passed away who state that it wasn't just a soviet atomic detecting balloon, but an interplanetary vehicle, and testimony like that from astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell clearly suggest that there is more to this than just earthly explanations. You just need an open mind to come up with many plausible reasons for the crashes though. Of course if you don't have one than these ideas would obviously sound absurd. Aye, we know for a fact that such things like Stealth fighters, the U-2, SR 71, and various UAV's etc have been developed there. As Parky says, to put things into perspective the Stealth bomber was developed in the early 80's. Who knows what has been developed there since... the Aurora, scram jet technology, even yes, anti-gravitational vehicles. Witnesses from the area before it was properly closed off from any sort of public view in the mid 90's details accounts of things maneuvering in the sky which go against the current laws of physics. This doesn't mean that Area 51 was specifically using alien technology, it could all have been the continuation of Van Braun's projects which began after WW2. However I do believe that crashed alien craft had once been taken there and other secret locations and airforce bases in the USA and Australia. They had to go somewhere right?? Being sceptical makes me open minded, not closed minded. You've given quite a lot of speculation there without presenting a single shred of evidence to back it up. Mother ship or not, the fact remains these aliens would have to possess the technology to allow interstellar travel, yet you are now suggesting they may have crashed because of faulty wiring or a human made SAM? How does this tie in with Parky's ants/motorway analogy or the failings of SETI, does it not seem contradictory? I think your coming from an assumption that contact has been made, and this has consequently shaped your following thought process. I'd prefer some real evidence first. But, out of interest, how many people do you think might be 'in' on this? Wouldn't it have to be hundreds, even thousands? This is the fundamental reason I think all big conspiracy theories fall down, we like to gossip too much, and with modern technology (mobile phones etc) it would be easy to back the gossip up with some form of evidence. Yet there isn't any. I wasn't personally calling you close minded, I was stating that those who think we are the only species in the universe/s would think my above theories and ideas are ridiculous. As for lack of evidence, well it takes an awful lot of time to dig up. I have read many books, visited many sites and watched many documentaries (some good, a lot of it rubbish) over about a 15 year period. Anyway here's a few I've dug up rather quickly. The first is in regards to the sworn affidavit; Affadavit realeased after death This one I posted earlier in the thread, which you may have missed. It is astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell's take on Roswell and ET visitation; Mitchell on radio The points I was making earlier comparing crashes of airplanes to possible ET vehicle crashes was that I think it's wrong to assume ET's are perfect and mistake free. That was the only correlation that should be made between the two examples. As for SETI, well, I can't really see any contradictions I've made. I think they're wasting their time, and I'll maintain that opinion. An AM radio doesn’t pick up FM signals. The Germans just before the start of World War II in Europe noted that we were building a whole array of tall (more than 200') towers with cross pieces which he figured had to be part of a radar net. The Graf Zeppelin slowly moved parallel to the array and listened and found no signals. The frequency being used was 10 times higher than what the Germans were using and they fortunately were never aware of how well their planes were being tracked. If civilisations, with a great deal of common heritage and similar background and access to similar science, can’t correctly predict the technique to be used by similar people a few hundred miles away, why even assume we can second-guess aliens? The crux of your argument is you need solid scientific evidence, which is obviously a fair point. The crux of mine is reading between the lines. In regards to the secrecy involved and how it hasn't been leaked out, I'll give you a few examples here; - The Manhattan Engineering District employed 130,000 people to develop the atomic bomb at a cost of several billion dollars in total secrecy during World War II. - The Allies broke the German code during World War II and had 12,000 people working at Bletchley Park intercepting, decoding and translating German military communications. If the secret had come out, the Germans would have changed their codes. There was really nothing in public until 25 years later despite the obviously great improvements in technology. - Same thing with the Japanese. - The Soviets had shot down a number of military reconnaissance aircraft probing Russia, North Korea, and China causing the loss of 166 crew members. Their families were lied to: unfortunate accident, crashed at sea, etc. It was not until 2001 that the USA had a meeting with families of the crew members that they were told what happened, even though most of the losses occurred in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s. - The Americans first admitted in 2005 that it had launched 7 satellites between 1962 and 1971. Their function was to conduct very sophisticated monitoring of electronic and radar installations on Soviet ships. Thousands of people were involved. - The annual US black budget is estimated to be approximately US$30 Billion, 30 times the amount CERN spends. That's an awful lot of money to spend on research. People can only guess/fantasise what it is spent on, and only see unusual shadows/lights and here funny noises in the night's sky as evidence. It doesn't matter how developed civilian communication lines are and will get, there will always, in my opinion, be a solid wall of silence at the very top. So long as the top brass get these government/military workers to pledge a patriotic oath of allegiance, and threaten to withdraw a very generous pension if they breach their contract, secrecy is maintained. Example of bitterness at losing retirement benefits. Spilling the beans

I responded to one of your posts, 3 before this one, before I carried on reading the thread and you gave this site. Will have a good look at this site when I get the chance.

I don't even think he takes them seriously I can never tell with Parky. He reminds me of that quote 'It's good to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out'. My position on the existence of intelligent alien life existing full stop is that at present we simply don't know, there are too many variables to consider to even make an intelligent guess. However, the continued failure of SETI do detect artificial radio sources outside of the Earth indicates that intelligent life probably isn't very common. And if they were so technologically advanced as to be capable of travelling light years, we'd either know of them because they wanted us to, or we wouldn't because they don't. Seti is only looking at a tiny tiny fraction of the radio event signal. It is like if we were an ant colony next to a five lane motorway would we understand anything about the motorway? I find that there is very little science behind the SETI effort. It is assumed that there are civilisations using communication technologies similar to ones we have developed to try to attract our attention. It assumes there is no colonisation and no migration and that nobody is coming here. They assume that because it takes less energy to send signals than to travel, that nobody is traveling. The only good thing about SETI is that it keeps some people in jobs in a never ending quest to find a civilisation who may share the same radio frequencies as us.

You are assuming that any advanced civilisations, providing they exist of course, are perfect and have traveled from one star system directly to here (Nevada, New Mexico). It is quite possible the vehicle could have come from a base underground or on the backside of the moon, in the asteroid belt, the rings of Saturn, on Mars or one of many moons around other planets. Could it be that what crashed at Roswell were small Earth excursion modules rather than the interstellar, very large vehicles (space carriers, mother ships etc) which would have brought them to Earth just as our large aircraft carriers carry 80 or so small airplanes whose mode of propulsion is distinctly different from that of the carrier. Also, for example when we examine major investigations to determine the cause of aircraft crashes, we often find, after much effort, that it was simple unexpected things ranging from loose bolts, to ingested birds, to faulty wiring, to pilot error, to ice in the wrong place. It could have been very high atmospheric electricity levels because of storms or the great dryness of the desert air. Perhaps it was shot down, by accident or on purpose. We know a radar set was on over at White Sands because of an impending rocket launch and the fact that it used vacuum tubes. Perhaps crossing the beam might have led to a small hiccup in the control system which led to a malfunction on the flying disks (there were two that came down in Roswell ) which caused them to collide. Perhaps the high radioactivity around the Trinity site (where the first atomic bomb blast occurred) caused a malfunction. We certainly have no reason to believe that aliens never make mistakes, or never run into the unexpected. Some day perhaps the government will release the report that was undoubtedly written as to the causes of the crashes. Just because we don’t have that report, it doesn’t mean the event didn’t take place. In fact evidence like two affidavits released after these ex-military people passed away who state that it wasn't just a soviet atomic detecting balloon, but an interplanetary vehicle, and testimony like that from astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell clearly suggest that there is more to this than just earthly explanations. You just need an open mind to come up with many plausible reasons for the crashes though. Of course if you don't have one than these ideas would obviously sound absurd. Aye, we know for a fact that such things like Stealth fighters, the U-2, SR 71, and various UAV's etc have been developed there. As Parky says, to put things into perspective the Stealth bomber was developed in the early 80's. Who knows what has been developed there since... the Aurora, scram jet technology, even yes, anti-gravitational vehicles. Witnesses from the area before it was properly closed off from any sort of public view in the mid 90's details accounts of things maneuvering in the sky which go against the current laws of physics. This doesn't mean that Area 51 was specifically using alien technology, it could all have been the continuation of Van Braun's projects which began after WW2. However I do believe that crashed alien craft had once been taken there and other secret locations and airforce bases in the USA and Australia. They had to go somewhere right??

I find it hard to believe it was just patrol lights from a police car when evidence suggests otherwise. Patrol lights or light from a lighthouse do not explain the high readings of radiation taken from a geiger counter in the area, the radar readings, the imprints left by the object, and witness accounts from civilians in the surrounding area. And of course the testimony from trained and experienced military officers who not only saw lights, but a solid black, glassy triangle object which they were able to see a foot away from them. All but one person's story corroborated with one anothers, and he blamed his ridiculous story on being injected with some chemical by the CIA which fucked up his memory. Always a good excuse when you know you've dug yourself a hole you can't get out of.

I think it's a gradual process, appetisers before the main course. The subject certainly is gaining more coverage, more frequently in mainstream media. I think the Rendlesham incident is undeniable evidence imo, one of a few incidents which cannot be disputed since 1947. Nick Pope mentions it in the BBC segment provided. Over in the good ol' USA Larry King, the 120 year old talk show host on CNN, has dedicated a few shows on the subject as well. Breaking down the wall Nick Pope on BBC.

Aye, that's a pretty good article and sums up the double standards clearly on show when it comes to this topic. Hitler was wrong, and he was absolutely evil, but there was a (very perverse) sense of logic behind his actions. Stalin on the other hand had no visible logic behind his hatred and evil - ordering the deaths of millions without anything but paranoia behind it, and making those left alive second guess everyone and everything. I agree whilst our youngsters are taught widely about the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis, Stalin and the crimes of the Communists are hardly ever mentioned. This is amply demonstrated by the fact that if you go to one of the big summer music festivals in the UK you will find dozens of people waving Soviet flags alongside the rainbows of Greenpeace etc... now surely people would not put up with Swastikas being displayed? Whats more, when I lived in Brixton, London, I often saw the British Communist party peddling their evil in front of the tube station, with massive Soviet flags and mountains of propaganda, plus portraits of Stalin - now again, would that be tolerated if the Nazis were doing it? Another point - the former mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, was a former member of the British Communist Party; would London have tolerated a former Nazi? I don't think so. Also, when an ex-girlfriend was at art school at the Kent Institute of Art & Design in Maidstone, she witnessed the faculty and other students frequently glamourising Stalin and the Soviet Union. Again, this would never have been tolerated if it was regarding Hitler and the Nazi Party. Just one final though; it is interesting to remember that the West was fighting the Soviet Union during the 20s and 30s - actively aiding the white Russians, and then the Finns, and that after the Soviets invaded Poland with Nazi Germany in 1939 we were pretty much in a defacto state of war with them. This only changed when the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, to their obvious detriment. Churchill was so worried that the British people would not be willing to send aid to the Soviets under Stalin (because at the time most viewed Stalin as the same as Hitler), that a massive propaganda campaign was launched to make the people warm to 'Uncle Joe' - it was incredibly successful, and after the war the socialists used this coerced opinion change to peddle their cause, hence why there has been a whitewashing of Stalin. Nice way for him to go btw - in a pool of his own piddle. Most modern day tyrants seem to have had inglorious endings.

I'm surprised you're interested tbh. I thought this was more your go You'd be surprised at a lot of things. With respect to you, no. I think the mental picture I have of you is spot on. Even allowing for minor errors. Aye, it interests me no end what pictures people build, so by all means elucidate on it. Only in pictures my trolling friend

Yeah, not racist. All she has done is shown how stupid she is.

Here's a better video of a UFO in Russia. It looks a little more genuine than the Turkish one. This thing appears to change its shape. Stars, comets, Venus, the ISS and a comp mouse over a piece of black cardboard can be discounted in this one. Is it organic, is it alien, is it man made, is it a solid object? Very unusual indeed; Russian UFO A very simplified translation of the video; The footage we are showing was shot recently by a young man and his friends. then the kid says "At first we thought it was a star and it interested us. it was glowing much brighter then other stars." then the narrator says "The object stayed in the air for a prolonged time changing shape and color. Only on the third day did they bring a camera and finally captured it. Is this is the best evidence that UFO's exist." the kid says "We saw it in the same exact place for 3 days. Started filming it on the third day when we finally got our stuff. We found a good spot and started filming." narrator says "It is a known fact, that the recording was made near a factory that produces pyrotechnics, but the length of the recording and things that happen to this object convince us, that there is nothing like this of terrestrial origin." kid says "First it was round and it started changing colors. then it changed more into a saucer shaped disc and had a glowing orb next to it. then it broke into several pieces and disappeared then came back. 2 hours later it left and never came back" narrator says "This video has been studied by many people that study UFOs and they have had a hard time disproving it..."

Waiting for the Keegan gag, and Keegan's more Liverpool than Newcastle, and in my books, you've got to be 100% Newcastle, born in Newcastle, live Newcastle, breathe Newcastle. And yes, we're part of Europe, but not of the EU, you knew what I was on about. Fucking outsiders. Support your local club, not mine. Really? Don't you love it when homogeneous morons start threads and try and make bold statements, but end up making fools of themselves? I do personally, he hasn't been the first. There have been many before him. They keep the forum alive. Regards, Ken

All the more reason to invest in something tangible overseas. Aye. It's all about the value of the $ to the £..

There has been some very disturbing posts on here of late. I only come here to share my encyclopedic knowledge on the beautiful game. Makes me wonder if its worth it. Do you have examples?.. I think people generally have been courteous and patient towards you tbh. some twat said they wanted to stab me on here last week. Any evidence? Mongs post in just about every forum there is. If what you say is true, the mong is simply trying to get a rise out of you. In saying that though, you could try and not be so provocative and vindictive

There has been some very disturbing posts on here of late. I only come here to share my encyclopedic knowledge on the beautiful game. Makes me wonder if its worth it. Do you have examples?.. I think people generally have been courteous and patient towards you tbh.

I'm surprised you're interested tbh. I thought this was more your go You'd be surprised at a lot of things. With respect to you, no. I think the mental picture I have of you is spot on. Even allowing for minor errors.

I am shocked. Absolutely fucking shocked that you would want this to happen.

And the bit about Owen too imho. I've mentioned it in other threads and so have others. We are so very, very close to being a progressive club, yet so very, very far away. In a nutshell, if Owen thinks we're moving forwards, he'll stay. It's all up to Ashley to fuck off and the prospective buyers to convince Owen to stay with us.