Ken

I find it hard to believe it was just patrol lights from a police car when evidence suggests otherwise. Patrol lights or light from a lighthouse do not explain the high readings of radiation taken from a geiger counter in the area, the radar readings, the imprints left by the object, and witness accounts from civilians in the surrounding area. And of course the testimony from trained and experienced military officers who not only saw lights, but a solid black, glassy triangle object which they were able to see a foot away from them. All but one person's story corroborated with one anothers, and he blamed his ridiculous story on being injected with some chemical by the CIA which fucked up his memory. Always a good excuse when you know you've dug yourself a hole you can't get out of. Tbf Ken, the above was bollocks too (according to the primary evidence anyway which is far more believable than stuff people added years later). Oh come on now Alex, the testimony on tape you think was a complete fuckup on their part?? All jokes aside, you can't deny what they saw, and to downplay what they saw to lights from a lighthouse or from a police car makes them look like complete fuckwits. Do you think they are all complete fuckwits? Oh come on, indeed. Ken look at the primary evidence (i.e. the statements of the people involved at the time). In the first instance, the two people who saw the lights initially only one thought it was mechanical and he never got closer than 50 m (I think he embellished the story much later. Obvious to guess why tbh). And they saw a blinking white light in the exact position there should have been a lighthouse. Coincidence? When a second party went out 2 nights later they followed a similar blinking light for quite a distance until (guess what) they realised it was a lighthouse They also saw some star-like lights. At night. What could they have been I wonder? A Guardian journalist debunked the whole thing about 3 years after in happened. The radiation readings and the landing site have been largely discredited too. There was nothing unusual there according to people who knew the area. The whole thing is a bit of a joke in all honesty. But UFO buffs ignore all that in general because they like to view as some really significant event. And btw, if you have a look at the written testimony of the two people from the first night's 'sighting', they do indeed come across as complete fuckwits. So you are not taking into account the fact they knew they would be ridiculed by telling the truth. You are not taking into account the fact the military hierarchy, for whom they were answerable to would not like exotic descriptions like these. Alex, you aren't even thinking of these possibilities. This is a faux pas officialdom has avoided throughout history.

That Ken bloke appears to be from Sydney. Ignore him, they're all full of shit. I work in medical imaging injecting people full of radioactivity for laughs. Aye I currently reside in Mosman, Sydney. You are from Melbourne, no?? What a fuckin' cesspool of shite that place is. And here's you trying to be proud of that place, time and time again.

Yes, that's a possibility, but he doesn't like the theory that technology, ideology, and customs may not be indigenous. Or it could mean there was a civilisation that rivaled Atlantis in the same time period. Mu, Lumeria?.. only in folklore currently but so was Troy not too long ago. I'm well aware of changing sea levels. I'm also well aware of shifting geology, hence why it's possible that the structures off Japan are man made and are now deep below sea level. Hawass and the Egyptian Govt are basically peddling lies. Not telling lies, just not seeking evidence to dispel alternate theories. The only theory he has dispelled is the Pyramid/alien connection. But anyone with an ounce of knowledge about the subject would have known that that was bollocks. Aliens didn't create the pyramids, man did, Egyptians. But the watermarks on the sphinx theory has been avoided by Hawass. He's a nationalist, and a traditionalist. What has been written should stay that way. Are you going by the dynastic time-scale for construction? Yes. Pyramids built beginning 2500BC to match up stars in Sirius and Orion belt, to symbolise heaven on earth. You have to go back to 10,500BC for the sphinx, along with the pyramids to all be aligned. So there were priests with astronomical knowledge in 10,500BC and this was all a grand master plan to map out a heaven on earth. This was a very brief summary. The stones weigh upto 1oo tons to some that are 200/300 tones. There are over two million stones in the biggest pyramids at an allignement (sat pics) which shows the center is 1/4 inch out...At that size it is something we can't do today. The biggest lifting land crane on the planet has a limit of 180/200 tons in 2008. If you're going by dynastic build times bearing in mind we know the quarry was 3km away across the river and official build times were 20 years, they would have to be laying a stone every 5 min or something......You see it's a joke. If they were burial chambers why was there never anybody inside....They were buried in the valley were they not? Why in the slavishly accurate and covering every wall they could get hold of is there no story of the pyramids in the hyrogliphs of that period? And why do they ignore Abydos? Parky, the largest boulders weighed 8 tonnes maximum. As I've said, Richard Hoagland has no idea what the fuck he's going on about at times. We don't know how the Egyptians did it, but they did somehow.

I find it hard to believe it was just patrol lights from a police car when evidence suggests otherwise. Patrol lights or light from a lighthouse do not explain the high readings of radiation taken from a geiger counter in the area, the radar readings, the imprints left by the object, and witness accounts from civilians in the surrounding area. And of course the testimony from trained and experienced military officers who not only saw lights, but a solid black, glassy triangle object which they were able to see a foot away from them. All but one person's story corroborated with one anothers, and he blamed his ridiculous story on being injected with some chemical by the CIA which fucked up his memory. Always a good excuse when you know you've dug yourself a hole you can't get out of. Tbf Ken, the above was bollocks too (according to the primary evidence anyway which is far more believable than stuff people added years later). Oh come on now Alex, do you think the testimony recorded on tape was a complete misunderstanding on there part?? All jokes aside, you can't deny what they saw, and to downplay what they saw to lights from a lighthouse or from a police car makes them look like complete fuckwits. Do you think they are all complete fuckwits?

I suppose you take one look at the applicants postcode and if it isn't to your approval their application goes no further. haha geordies are hard people to move, so set in their ways. Jocks though always up for it and a few more grand. It's good crack though, I spend a large portion of me day talking about football. Of course you do you fucking bludger. And here's you slagging off the Pakistani-born English. You'll have to explain this one to me pal. JawD how many people have you got working for you? You've expressed your feelings about Pakistanis before. You've made yourself very clear, they offer nothing. Yet here's you, admitting you wank off on your job.

Do you have any ans for the questions btw? Regarding labour they love to tell us the stones were rolled on wooden logs...Err where exactly did thousands of hardwood logs come from? One of the myths is this hired labour lark. Most of the work in the official versions was done by farmers who at the same time were looking after their crops in the fields. There is no way with the tech they had (vine rope, pulleys, copper tools )and the official time line you could knock up the bigger pyramids in 20 years. I think someone worked out you'd need 100,000 men working 24/7 without sleep. Parky, there's a lot of different theories about it by lots of different archaeologists. I'm not saying the construction methods are certain but there is evidence they had 10,000s of men at their disposal. I think this sort of thing is very interesting. Where it becomes boring (imo) is when stuff is just blatantly made up (like the size of the stones and that type of construction not being possible today etc) to push some half-baked theory that they used alien technology or whatever. Look man. You get hung up about the crane thing there are stationary cranes that can lift 4,000 tonnes it's not important. The cranes example was just to show the average readily available tech today would have trouble with the pyramid stones. 10,000 men is just not enough. The people making stuff up is the Egyptian Govt. Like the Abydos temple. Unable to explain the erosion patterns and the fact it is on a lower layer (dating it at 10,000 BC ) they tell people the egyptians dug down specifically to build it, cause it doesn't fit in (nor does the Sphinx) with the dynastic timelines. I don't know how or who built them, but I do know it wasn't the Egyptians. Look man, you quoted something that exagerrated the size of the stones 100+ times I'm casual. The pyramids discovered under the sea near Japan can be carbon dated cause of the coral. Guess what? Yes they are 10,000 yrs old. There are similar pyramids in China (the Govt farmed over them to hide them). The pyramids along with other important stuff in south american was built around 9,000 to 12,500 years ago. This is no coincidence. The Egyptian Govt are just lying. Unless you supply a source I'll just assume it's all off some crank site tbh. The very crux of your argument was that modern technology couldn't even handle stones like the ones used in the pyramids because they weighed over 100 tonnes. They weigh 2-3 tonnes (there are helicopters that could easily lift that, let alone modern cranes - I realise they didn't have helicopters back then btw ). Hence my scepticism at the rest of the info. I'm not saying everything is explainable but it just kills my interest when blatant bollocks is used in stuff like this. And there's a very obvious reason (which I've already alluded to) why you get pyramids all over the world. Before arches / flying buttresses etc were discovered it was the only method of constructing tall buildings. I supplied a source. I don't supply sources for fun mate. The university (whichever it was) made scientific analysis regarding the site. 13Kane has basis for an argument. Listen and learn Alex, listen and learn.

I suppose you take one look at the applicants postcode and if it isn't to your approval their application goes no further. haha geordies are hard people to move, so set in their ways. Jocks though always up for it and a few more grand. It's good crack though, I spend a large portion of me day talking about football. Of course you do you fucking bludger. And here's you slagging off the Pakistani-born English.

I'm sorry, I just can't help but laugh. It just never ends. That is all...

This one is a little more genuine than the one I posted previously. It was shot a couple of days ago by a news crew in America; Article and video. Click please.

They were all on speed. I was actually thinking about that. Might have been a factor tbh. Although it doesn't really make you hallucinate the lack of sleep because of it can. I don't think it completely explains the whole thing however. Drugs, lack of sleep and masses of stress can do all sorts, but , and I guess no one ever will. The only thing is, there are occasions when you had a whole crew of a bomber seeing the same thing at the same time. I'm not saying that means we're dealing with alien spacecraft or anything. Also, the phenomena was reported by Allied and Axis airmen alike. The phenomena was markedly different in the Pacific compared to over Europe as well. Well and truly weird imo. A lot of those sightings can be attributed to natural phenomena like ball lightning. wikitastic But this of course doesn't explain the sighting of physically solid objects, witnessed by many airmen.

That's nothing man. Take a look at this one. youtube.com/watch?v=RJYJt3gOX1c

Did you hear this from Jake Reason? open minds forum

Yes, that's a possibility, but he doesn't like the theory that technology, ideology, and customs may not be indigenous. Or it could mean there was a civilisation that rivaled Atlantis in the same time period. Mu, Lumeria?.. only in folklore currently but so was Troy not too long ago. I'm well aware of changing sea levels. I'm also well aware of shifting geology, hence why it's possible that the structures off Japan are man made and are now deep below sea level. Hawass and the Egyptian Govt are basically peddling lies. Not telling lies, just not seeking evidence to dispel alternate theories. The only theory he has dispelled is the Pyramid/alien connection. But anyone with an ounce of knowledge about the subject would have known that that was bollocks. Aliens didn't create the pyramids, man did, Egyptians. But the watermarks on the sphinx theory has been avoided by Hawass. He's a nationalist, and a traditionalist. What has been written should stay that way. Are you going by the dynastic time-scale for construction? Yes. Pyramids built beginning 2500BC to match up stars in Sirius and Orion belt, to symbolise heaven on earth. You have to go back to 10,500BC for the sphinx, along with the pyramids to all be aligned. So there were priests with astronomical knowledge in 10,500BC and this was all a grand master plan to map out a heaven on earth. This was a very brief summary.

Richard Hoagland is a very interesting man. His website is here and it has a mountain of information on it; enterprisemission.com My personal view is that he's a pseudoscientist and a sensationalist. The problem with people like Hoagland is that when they first come on to the scene, you stop and listen to them. You think, "yes, good theory, that's quite possible". But as time goes on these people are compelled to make wilder and wilder claims, to the point where they really start sounding like they are border line insane. Amongst Hoagland's most unusual claims are; That he believes the Asian Tsunami was a hyperdimensional occurance. That Iapetus (one of Saturn's moons) is a death star, like the one from Star Wars. That the Egyptian pyramids were not made by ancient Egyptians but by aliens. Now even these are way too much for me to handle. It's a shame he is compelled to come up with such things because some, and I do stress the word some, of his other claims sound credible in my opinion, and he has attempted to justify them with science. But now unfortunately he just sounds like an egocentric nutter earning a living by selling a book full of fables, and he's known to scream down those who don't agree with him too.

Indeed. He's just following in the footsteps of many politicians before and after him who after finishing their political careers, enjoy attending functions and talks. That function happened early this year and while he talks about things there which aren't really new, well most of that has been out there for well over a decade, I did find his views on aircraft confrontations with UFOs fascinating. After all he was the Defence Minister for Canada and he would have been privy to that sort of information as America and Canada share the same eyes in the sky... and space. NORAD

Ex Canadian Defence Minister talking about contact that has been made between ETs and the Americans. Also claims an evil government within a government; youtube.com/watch?v=RGyFWyNuF3s

Yes, that's a possibility, but he doesn't like the theory that technology, ideology, and customs may not be indigenous. Or it could mean there was a civilisation that rivaled Atlantis in the same time period. Mu, Lumeria?.. only in folklore currently but so was Troy not too long ago. I'm well aware of changing sea levels. I'm also well aware of shifting geology, hence why it's possible that the structures off Japan are man made and are now deep below sea level. Hawass and the Egyptian Govt are basically peddling lies. Not telling lies, just not seeking evidence to dispel alternate theories. The only theory he has dispelled is the Pyramid/alien connection. But anyone with an ounce of knowledge about the subject would have known that that was bollocks. Aliens didn't create the pyramids, man did, Egyptians. But the watermarks on the sphinx theory has been avoided by Hawass. He's a nationalist, and a traditionalist. What has been written should stay that way.

Yes, that's a possibility, but he doesn't like the theory that technology, ideology, and customs may not be indigenous. Or it could mean there was a civilisation that rivaled Atlantis in the same time period. Mu, Lumeria?.. only in folklore currently but so was Troy not too long ago. I'm well aware of changing sea levels. I'm also well aware of shifting geology, hence why it's possible that the structures off Japan are man made and are now deep below sea level.

OMG I had forgotten the old Atlantis theories- I used to love all of that stuff. I used to love arguing that it was true with people to wind them up (foptastic) and ended up believing it myself. my personal favourite theory being the Antarctica once having been Atlantis and for Hapgood's Earth Crustal Shift hypothesis You got me there... Never heard that one treat yourself - its a great read Fingerprints of the Gods - Graham Hancock Review Poking about through an assortment of grand earthly mysteries, Hancock (The Sign and the Seal, 1992) cobbles together a fascinating theory that proposes a lost civilization lying behind the conundrums. Why is it that the ruins of central America appear to show such a profound knowledge of spherical trigonometry millennia before that branch of mathematics was to find currency in the West? How is it that the great temples in Peru and Egypt show a clear understanding of the precession of the equinoxes way prior to its "discovery" by Hipparchus? All of these ancient monuments depict bearded Caucasian men in their sculpture. Pourquoi? Drawing on an amazing wealth of materials - from a close reading of mythology to geological texts, from archaeo-astronomy to rarefied mathematics - Hancock devises a theory that posits a highly evolved civilization that was wiped clear off the face of the earth during the cataclysmic happenings that attended the retreat of the last ice sheet. A resulting massive crustal displacement in turn might have buried the evidence of this advanced culture, leaving only a few survivors to pass on their knowledge to succeeding generations. Egyptian, Olmec, Mayan, and Aztec civilizations all speak of men - Viracocha, Quetzalcoatl, the bearded men - who brought great wisdom into their midst (though why they didn't pass along the principle of the wheel to the Maya is an equal mystery). Where did these learned men come from? Hancock has evidence to suggest Antarctica, explained via a combination of crust movement and the odd fact that the topography of Queen Maud Land appears on a map dated 1513, when it was - and had for millennia been - under ice. He also has evidence that the next apocalypse may be just around the corner. A fancy piece of historical sleuthing - breathless, but intriguing and entertaining and sturdy enough to give a long pause for thought. (Kirkus Reviews) Aye good read. Certainly a topic that makes you ponder. This more recent book is quite good also, delving into the same subject matter; From Atlantis to the Sphinx - Colin Wilson If erosion on the Sphinx was indeed created by flooding, then it blows apart history as we know it. I might be cynical here but Dr Zawi Hawass (Head of Egyptian Antiquities) hasn't really help in dispelling these theories either, actually you could argue he has flamed them more by refusing to take them seriously. Also on the subject of Atlantis while it has been speculated that it may lie in Bimini Atoll, Antarctica, or Thira another interesting place is off the coast of one of Japan's Southern most islands. It's one of those 50/50 topics where some argue it's man made, while others argue it's natural as the site is underwater. Some University in Japan has scientifically dated these structures to 10,000BC. Again, if true it blows apart history as we know it. The Yonaguni Structures.

Everyone is prejudiced in some way, just some won't admit it to themselves (al la Happy Face). Your own prejudice is one of the reasons I liked your "pictures" of me, it clearly shows it and was most interesting. Prejudice in regards to race and religion is what I meant here. Please don't use the geek who watches Star Trek at IT get-togethers, or the salad bowl haircut and wearing thick glasses as an example, because it was not what I meant on this occasion. Although I see the point that you're making. Prejudice is prejudice, the particular flavour doesn't make it ok or not (just popular flavours are popular or unpopular flavours popular to be unpopular..... ). And your prejudiced view of "me" is exactly that, whatever you think you meant or did not. Which is why this whole thing is pretty interesting on several levels. You should be a politician. Easy way out tbh.

Everyone is prejudiced in some way, just some won't admit it to themselves (al la Happy Face). Your own prejudice is one of the reasons I liked your "pictures" of me, it clearly shows it and was most interesting. Prejudice in regards to race and religion is what I meant here. Please don't use the geek who watches Star Trek at IT get-togethers, or the salad bowl haircut and wearing thick glasses as an example, because it was not what I meant on this occasion. Although I see the point that you're making.

If you think gaijin is really directly comparable or the only example, then I may have to explain to you that the Isle of Wight is not "foreign" either. In fact the hard thing do is find a place where vicious prejudice (and the language to go with it) doesn't occur - Antarctica is probably your best bet outside of whaling season. Closed minded people like old Happy Face may struggle with the harsh reality of the world however. No, never did I say gaijin is the only example. But in Japan, that is about as bad as it gets. I maintain the opinion that I made, after all I've spent about 4 years there collectively, and made many non-Japanese friends there who have stayed there much longer, and gaijin is about as bad as it gets over there. As I also said previously prejudice beliefs occur throughout the whole world, but the one common denominator is that they are made by morons. Therefore those who preach prejudice beliefs like the BNP are also morons. Which basically means everyone is a moron in some way or another. No. Not all people in the world are prejudice, but every country in the world has prejudiced people. There is a difference, don't try and get a rise out of me.